Sell Gold Crown IV? Buy Diamond?

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DrCue'sProtege

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was wondering what you posters would think if i told you i was considering selling my Gold Crown IV and buying a Diamond Professional table? perhaps the main reason is that the side pockets on my GCIV are just killing me, balls just dont want to fall in when they hit the facings of my side pockets.

perhaps i am imagining this situation, i dont know. but it sure seems to me that balls that should go in just pop out. what about the Diamond Pro table? any of you players with that table ever encounter this situation? seems like most people say the Diamond Pro table's side pockets accept balls more, but they are actually somewhat tighter. they are fair - but tight.

i dont really know what to do here, perhaps i should drive down to Diamond as they are less than 2 hours away from where i live, and check their tables out in person. i do remember when i took a couple of lessons from Diana Minor (former WPBA Pro) that she had a Diamond and it played really nice.

guess time will tell..........

DCP
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
was wondering what you posters would think if i told you i was considering selling my Gold Crown IV and buying a Diamond Professional table? perhaps the main reason is that the side pockets on my GCIV are just killing me, balls just dont want to fall in when they hit the facings of my side pockets.

perhaps i am imagining this situation, i dont know. but it sure seems to me that balls that should go in just pop out. what about the Diamond Pro table? any of you players with that table ever encounter this situation? seems like most people say the Diamond Pro table's side pockets accept balls more, but they are actually somewhat tighter. they are fair - but tight.

i dont really know what to do here, perhaps i should drive down to Diamond as they are less than 2 hours away from where i live, and check their tables out in person. i do remember when i took a couple of lessons from Diana Minor (former WPBA Pro) that she had a Diamond and it played really nice.

guess time will tell..........

DCP
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Before you sell the table, get a professional table mechanic to look at the facings. Your pockets may just be cut poorly, and although I don't know the price of fixing that, I do know it's a lot cheaper than a new table. If you feel you want a table with more challenging, deeper pockets overall, then maybe consider buying a diamond, but I would definitely try one out first.

-Andrew
 
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If this is a table at your house, and you use it just for practice (not gambling). Keep the table you have, use your extra cash to shim the pockets, and watch how much the pockets open up at your local poolroom
after a practice session on your newly rebuilt table. Though, make sure you get the table done correctly, if possible, someone like Ernesto's
speed. If money isn't an issue, get a Diamond, and shim that bad boy...
Hope this helps... Lance
 
I am not sure about the sides being better or not, but I do like the "DIAMOND Package", the lighting and chairs that match, nice!! And the level pockets.
 
Diamond side pockets are even tougher to pocket balls in. I play on one about every day, and i would much rather own a Goldcrown than a diamond. Honestly, i think it will be a bad move to switch, because you wont get as much money out of the goldcrown as it would cost to buy the diamond.

It may seem good for a month or two, but after u get used to the diamond table, i think you would prefer a goldcrown. This is coming from someone who plays on both goldcrowns, and diamond tables weekly.
 
I don't know why the table is spitting balls out but, the Diamond is a crucial table to play on. It's not for the casual player.

Now with that being said, I love mine. I have a 9ft. Diamond Professional Model w/ Pro Cut Pocket about 4 1/2in. corner pockets, the slate is also cut deeper into the pocket than what your used to on the Gold Crown.

I wanted the table to play as hard as possible, so that when I go out to league each week the pockets will seem like buckets and just take everything.

I've had mine for about a year and a half now and I wouldn't trade it for the world, the table makes you a better player. If your not putting in your full effort you won't be rewarded.

Good Luck

Black Cat :cool:
 
If you have the means to do it, I would do it. I have plans on selling my GC at some point and getting a Diamond.....I really like the way it plays, and especially like the blue cloth.

However...I don't actually agree with the Diamond being tougher. I think the Diamond with 41/2 pockets plays very easy because of the way the pockets are cut. Balls seem to go in very easy on the table I have played on, and it is on of the tables they used at the DCC last year......It may be that I just see better on the blue cloth.....That table sits next to tables that have green cloth, and I really notice just how much light gets sucked up by the green cloth....The blue seems to almost reflect the light and makes everything more visable...

BTW: You want to get rid of that Bad Luck GC you have any way...Get some fresh luck in that room of yours!!
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
... perhaps the main reason is that the side pockets on my GCIV are just killing me, balls just dont want to fall in when they hit the facings of my side pockets. ...
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First call your local Brunswick dealership and ask them to fix it. This sort of thing should be covered under your warranty. If they refuse, call the company headquarters.
 
Diamond vs GC

Do It!!!

I have a Diamond Pro nine fooot w/ DCC 860 Simonis. I have top players from all around Phoenix come to play on it. You could not give me a GC after playing on a Diamond Pro.... Very tough table but very fair. It will make you a better player and when you get someone on a GC afterward, you should do very well!

Provide me with your email address and I will send you some pictures of my Diamond. If you drive down to Diamond factory, ask for Chad and tell him "Cross Side Larry" sent you!

Best Regards

Cross Side Larry

"Learn from the best, and beat the rest"
 
Bob Jewett said:
First call your local Brunswick dealership and ask them to fix it. This sort of thing should be covered under your warranty. If they refuse, call the company headquarters.
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well, as i have said before, some people say my side pockets are fine, so there may not really be anything wrong with them, it just could be my imagination. Mark Wilson told me the table mechanic i use is one of the few in the United States he would let work on his tables, so the guy comes highly recommended.

some say the cut of the cloth might be part of the problem. as i said earlier, Bob Byrne, Steve Tipton, and Allison Fisher told me the crease should not be in the middle of the facing. others, such as Tom "Dr Cue" Rossman tell me there isnt anything wrong with the side pocket.

i dont really know what to do here. again, just seems to me that balls hit the side pocket facings and pop out instead of falling in. last night a ball hit the facing going very slow. it popped out, and ended up about 3" away, thats how slow it was going. but then again, at the angle i had i couldnt see where it hit the pocket, so perhaps it should have popped out rather than fall.

oh well.
DCP
 
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Brunswick is extending the rails on there new Gold Crowns and Metro pool tables.I don't prefer one table over the next and everyone on here can fill you full of bull as to whom builds the best table.Both Diamons and Brunswick build great tables.Ask a pool table installer they can pick both tables apart.Ask a pro,they don't care aslong as it's level and has Simonis on it.Shim your pockets and know that you have one of the best tables money can buy.
 
I have a feeling, if you are currently complaining about the side pockets on your GCIV, if you get a Diamond Pro with 4.5" pockets and deep pocket shelf, you will soon complain about ALL the pockets.

That said, I love playing on the Diamond Pro. The table is beautifully constructed and beautiful looking. It plays great, too. The pockets are stingy, but fair. If you hit a good shot, it falls, but if you miss by a frightenly small mount, it will rattle. Shots that bump a rail and routinely fall on nearly any other table will jar on the Diamond Pro. I can say, unequivocally, it gets your attention.

Economically, you are going to get pounded trading the GC and buying a Diamond. Only you can say if it's worth it. But do not buy the Diamond thinking you will make more shots in the side pockets!
 
Most gold crowns spit balls out of the side pockets even on there big pocket tables.
 
Im a Olhausen fan myself :) But after playin on some Diamonds..........my choice would be Diamond over a GC but any table in my home would be satisfying :D
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
some say the cut of the cloth might be part of the problem. as i said earlier, Bob Byrne, Steve Tipton, and Allison Fisher told me the crease should not be in the middle of the facing. others, such as Tom "Dr Cue" Rossman tell me there isnt anything wrong with the side pocket.

DCP
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If the crease is in the middle it is wrong and will do exactly what you are talking about.

unknownpro
 
I get to play on a tight pocket diamond at my room of choice in newburgh Gallery Billiards and it plays great,all the tables play well but i love the fact that the pockets are easy to bridge and shoot over unlike the gold crowns,now that i think of it,Gallery is the only room with a diamond in my area among the 3 other pool rooms.Is it just me or does it seem to bank shorter then a gold crown?
 
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Cosmo that comes on the forum under Cosmoscues, he has a pool room in Dickson city Pennsylvania called (of course) Cosmo's Billiards and he recently got rid of all his gold crown 3's and 4's and replaced the entire pool room, like 17 tables with diamonds.. i always loved playing on gold crowns over other tables.. but the new diamonds are awesome.. best move he made i think..

chris
 
Brunswick side pocket problem

I wonder if you haven't been presented with a problem that you simply have to solve. I looked at the photo you posted and don't see any glaring problems, certainly not worse than issues you are likely to run in to playing on commercially available tables anywhere. Every table requires you to adjust.

I can also tell you that this will not be the last problem hole you will have to deal with so learn how to deal with it. I suspect the problem is much more in your mind than on the table. I guess we have all witnessed (and at times felt) the "age-old shark" that goes something like this..."that pocket doesn't like you" or "that's the third time you hung a ball in that pocket". Being the hard-headed type, I go to the pain and push thru it...like a mission. Shoot 200 extra balls into that *^#$%ing hole every day and turn it into an advantage...the home court advantage!

As almost always, your ability to conquer the game is more about your skill and attitude than the equipment...the photo tells me that most likely this table falls well above the "acceptable level" of equipment quality.

While I'm at it, I would like to opine that if you find a good table mechanic, tighten up the pockets, and learn to play that Brunswick; there won't be a Diamond (or any other table) you can't defend yourself on.

Hope this helps, it's just my opinion, you be the judge.
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1775&d=1083885324

not sure if that will work, but its a picture of one of my side pockets. you can see what i mean about the crease of the cloth being in the middle. i dont know if thats good or not, but the table mechanic i have says thats the way they have to be done on the GCIV.

some say good, some say bad.

DCP
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That's just wrong. It will throw balls out every time. The crease cannot be there. It's possible there might be enough cloth there to fix that without redoing the whole rail. The rails should all come off all together at the same time so you can unbolt them from the slate and just flip them upside down on the table to work on them.

I'd try to have it fixed, and just recover them if it doesn't work. Sometimes shimming them some makes them play better also as far as spitting balls out. But I guarantee that crease is a big problem. You shouldn't have that on such a great table.

Lots of people cover the tables that way, but it's still wrong.

unknownpro
 
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