serious Bushka and Boti question

[cueball1950]

Please let me say that this is hypothetical for now. if a person had a Balabushka ordinary would be the bets way to explain cue. 4 points with veneers and rings only below wrap. cue is all original never been refinished. what would an approximate value be. Same question about a Szamboti. ...........mike

 

[titlistsucker]

couple more questions....

is the bala/boti authenticated by an expert? Comes with papers?

Condition?

No of Shafts?

Titlist blank?Szamboti blank? burton blank?

Serious its hard to guesstimate with the info u giving pal... i seen 4point 4 veneers Gus go for 4000-5000..

 

[classiccues]

With the Bushka there are many variables...

Blank - Titlist, Spain/Davis, Szamboti
Ring below wrap - Bushka, Silver, wedding band (gold) other
Originality...

Boti - Plain four pointer 4500-6500 depending on condition / originality.

Joe

 

[cueball1950]

With the Bushka there are many variables...

Blank - Titlist, Spain/Davis, Szamboti
Ring below wrap - Bushka, Silver, wedding band (gold) other
Originality...

Boti - Plain four pointer 4500-6500 depending on condition / originality.

Joe

well let me say that i believe it to be a spain blank and it has various ring designs on the butt below the wrap. would a picture of the butt end help... it has 1 original shaft most likely made by paradise as he was making some blanks for george at that time. i hope this picture helps out some.......mike.

 

[billfishhead]

omg 5000 for a cue,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,jk,,,,,,,,,,,,,ive spent a few bucks on Szambotis,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,5000 easy

 

[cueball1950]

if a genuine/real bushka was to come up on the market what would its value be knowing that it has to be refinished...............mike

 

[Bamacues]

if a genuine/real bushka was to come up on the market what would its value be knowing that it has to be refinished...............mike

If it is genuine and original, do NOT refinish it. There was a great thread about that subject and cue values recently...maybe someone will remember it and post the link.

 

[cueball1950]

If it is genuine and original, do NOT refinish it. There was a great thread about that subject and cue values recently...maybe someone will remember it and post the link.

Yes bama. it is all original as i stated. just trying to figure a price on it.... any help would be greatly appreciated......I do have other pictures i could send by email if their is a serious buyer..............mike

 

[Bamacues]

Yes bama. it is all original as i stated. just trying to figure a price on it.... any help would be greatly appreciated......I do have other pictures i could send by email if their is a serious buyer..............mike

There are some knowledgable folks on here (not me when it comes to Bushkas). Sean at Cue Addicts is very knowledgable and willing to share honest opinions with no B.S. PM him (cueaddict...can't remember if he adds the s or not) and send him some pics. If he doesn't know, he will tell you who will.

The real point of the previous thread is that if the cue is all original and not badly damaged, you will destroy much of its value to a true collector if you have it refinished. That is not always the case, but it is in most cases.

 

[nick serdula]

do not refinish

If you are going to play with it and keep it you must refinish it or it might fall appart.
Otherwise send it to Bill Schick and have him authenticate it and DO NoTHING TO IT BUT SELL IT. It will be worht so much more to so many more collectors untouched even with origional warped shafts. If you send it to Tascarella you will waiste 300.00 usd but you get what you pay for. Bill is much cheaper and his opinion is just as valued as anybodies! Nick

 

[classiccues]

well let me say that i believe it to be a spain blank and it has various ring designs on the butt below the wrap. would a picture of the butt end help... it has 1 original shaft most likely made by paradise as he was making some blanks for george at that time. i hope this picture helps out some.......mike.

Ok there is a similar cue to yours in the Billiard Encylopedia. The veneered back end is very nice. One original shaft would have to be made by Balabushka, not Paradise. Paradise and Bushka were fierce rivials in the NJ/NY area and I am positive Paradise made him nothing, except for crazy. Tascarella is THE name in authenticating Bushkas. He will charge you 100-150 for an authentification, I don't believe its more than that, even if it is, it's worth it. I would also have him make a second shaft since he would have the cue. (2) shafts are always better than one, and having one shaft (unknown origin) will not enhance the value of the cue. As fas as an asking price you can ask whatever you want. But with all the unknowns, conditions, etc.. it will be somewhere between 5k and 7.5k.

Joe

 

[pathman]

Schick

If you are going to play with it and keep it you must refinish it or it might fall appart.
Otherwise send it to Bill Schick and have him authenticate it and DO NoTHING TO IT BUT SELL IT. It will be worht so much more to so many more collectors untouched even with origional warped shafts. If you send it to Tascarella you will waiste 300.00 usd but you get what you pay for. Bill is much cheaper and his opinion is just as valued as anybodies! Nick

I agree, if you really want to stop any speculation in the eyes of naysayers, send it to Bill. I go to the shop a few times a year and there is always a Bushka laying around that someone has sent. Bill has been the deciding factor in many disputes about authentic vs copy. There is always a cue hustler claiming to have Bill's personal playing cue, but truth is his personal playing cue is an ancient Titleist Bushka, no wrap, brass joint. So if he don't know, nobody does.

 

[cueaddicts]

CB,

I agree with Joe on the value. It really depends on the items other posters mentioned as to whether to refinish or leave as is. Either Bill or Pete would be the best to authenticate. BTW, that's a nice Balabushka.

Sean

 

[cueball1950]

couple more questions....

is the bala/boti authenticated by an expert? Comes with papers?

Condition?

No of Shafts?

Titlist blank?Szamboti blank? burton blank?

Serious its hard to guesstimate with the info u giving pal... i seen 4point 4 veneers Gus go for 4000-5000..

It has already been authenticated.....this is the fore arm.......mike

 

[TATE]

It has already been authenticated.....this is the fore arm.......mike

Mike,

The picture appears to be a Titlist forearm cue. Since your cue has plain black rings, you have what looks to me like a nice early Balabushka.

Personally, I think this is a very historic cue, especially considering all the work in the butt. I would think this would be considered to be a pretty fancy Balabushka considering it's an early one. It would be nice to see if you can find some additional history on it, like who owned it. This could have an effect on the value.

Can you show a picture of the joint?

Chris

 

[cueball1950]

Mike,

The picture appears to be a Titlist forearm cue. Since your cue has plain black rings, you have what looks to me like a nice early Balabushka.

Personally, I think this is a very historic cue, especially considering all the work in the butt. I would think this would be considered to be a pretty fancy Balabushka considering it's an early one. It would be nice to see if you can find some additional history on it, like who owned it. This could have an effect on the value.

Can you show a picture of the joint?

Chris

Hi Chris......this is the joint...
this cue has been dated to be made around 1964.....

 

[cueball1950]

To everybody who has sent me instant messages concerning this cue. i will be getting back to all of you in the next couple of days. thanks for all the interest and information you have provided............mike

 

[TATE]

The flat joint pin also dates it to an early cue. I would think it would be worth on the higher end of the early Balabushka scale.

Chris

 

[classiccues]

It has already been authenticated.....this is the fore arm.......mike

Mike,
Is this the cue Fran Crimi was trying to sell last year? It's a titlist cue, appear to be a lighter wood forearm, oak? Teak? it doesn't appear to be rosewood. Since you had the cue authenticated, does it mention the shaft as a Bushka shaft? I am assuming from your earlier e-mails it might not be. If thats the case, then you are still just buying a Bushka butt, IF you could find playable 12.8/13mm Bushka shafts for the cue, it would add alot of value. Straight Bushka shafts of this size would fetch a premium, $1-1.2k is not out of the question, IF you found one. IMHO its still a 5k-7.5k cue, at best, granted its straight. Unless you found someone dying for an original Bushka and didn't care about the shafts, you might eek out a little more.

Joe

 

[paulybatz]

Nice!!

Nice Bushka, thanks for the pics--classic titlist forearm--now I know why people are going crazy for conversions these days--but more than 1/2 the current conversions hit like SHIIIIIIIT.