Shadiest Pool Hall

"COCHRAN'S"

San Francisco in the 50's and to this day. (Now called Hollywood Billiards)

It was located on Market St. in the heart of downtown San Francisco. To the South of Market was skid row from 3rd to 9th st. with all the drunks, homeless, down and outs and mixed in with the longshoremen seamen who sailed in the merchant marine. On the north side was the Tenderloin, known as pimp row, drug alley and every rip off you could think of. The ironic part was the real exit was right across from the Golden Gate theatre where major movies and plays came and went along with the upper class patrons. They came in limos or cabs and they never parked and walked by Cochran's. Well most of them.
Cochran's had 2 entrances both of which required climbing a long set of stairs which led into a large supposedly at the time legant room with old time Brunswick tables of which they are still there. It was dark in the room but pretty lit by the cafe bar where you could order food from the oriental chef and bartender. There was constant action in this room either on the tables or the open snooker game or open golf game. Ronnie Allen and Richie Florence came up from L.A. all the time to hustle. Sometimes winning, other times not. S.F. had some pretty good players them themselves incliding Cochran Sr. and Jr. You could find anything you wanted there incliding drugs, sex, (man or woman,) stolen merchandise, dice games, poker, tossing coins and pinballs that paid off. It was constant action 24 hours a day.
The first day I walked in there my buddy, One Eye Hank Hurst got in a game with Bucktooth, stiff him and Bucktooth chased him around the room throwing balls at him. I laughed my ass off and from that day on it was a daily pilgramage. Not that I was into all that but I loved the action and the people who were sincere. This place was dangerous, you had to mind your p's and q's and be careful who you got into it with.
I really do not think there was a more seedier place anywhere. The previous poster mentioned Palalce Billiards. Although in the same area it was tame compared to Cochrans in its day. Place had 2 locations. First one was at 4th and Ellis behind the Woolthworth's until they lost their lease then they moved to Market St. They survived cause Cochrans was so bad they kept closing and reopening. Tony Annigonni was a parnter at one time. The place is still seedy. They tried to open under new owners a few months ago and the first thing is they got closed because of a killing outside and they were unlicensed. As of now I do now know if they reopened.
The place has since been remodeled though. In the old days all the windows were covered, now they are open and they built a large beautiful bar in the center that is 4 sided. The front door was blocked up the last time I was there so entering at night from the back is still scary. I knew of a lot of winners that got mugged leaving from the back entrance over the years. A lot of people had body guards it was so bad. Desperate people in that area did desperate things. In the old days you left from the rear cause the front led to Market St. and you would have to put up woth a the homosexuals lurking in all the doorways trying to pick up anybody walking by. It was a sad area and still is. There is no way this not the seediest in the Nation.
Yes I remember it well, I used to frequent the place in the early to mid 60's. One little story to show you how rough the place was, there was an instance where this old guy was in the men's bathroom taking a leak when all of a sudden the door flew open and some guy who apparently didn't pay his debt got pummeled and thrown to the floor. The old man just looked over as he was doing his business and said "yep, that ought to get it!"
 
The shadiest place I ever played at made you post $10 for chalk. You would get your money back it you returned it. Funny thing is the company I work for bought that building and my desk is where the pool hall use to be :ROFLMAO:
 
I was in a joint called The Coachman in Chattanooga one night and when I got ready to leave the bouncer said I couldn't leave and when I asked why he said they had booted a guy out and he was in the parking lot with a gun and they had the police coming. Another night I went to a joint called The Fuzzy Duck and as I walked in the EMTs were carrying out a guy who had been shot. Another case of someone being booted out but this one went to his truck and got a rifle and shot back through the wall and just happened to hi one.
 
I saw a PCP fueled guy try to fight a few people, get thrown out and proceed to try to get back in for like a half hour.

Couldn't lock the door coz as a 24hr room, there was no lock on the door.

I miss that job sometimes
 
IVA's Club Longdale, Okla in the 70's. This little joint was known for weekend Big Money Pool Games after closing Hours. It would start about 3AM and run till noon the next day or so.Kind of a invite games. If you would call it that. If you had 5K and could show it, you were invited. Guns, Drugs, Women, and all you could stand in Action. Seen a Race to 10 for 50K in there once. You had better know some of the Locals or it could get unhealthy real quick. Long Time ago but I remember it well.
 
Shady Pool Halls? Not that I haven’t seen some things go down but even with gambling and some shady characters they are usually pretty safe. If you are a women - I get it, you might want someone walk you to your car.

Now bars with pool tables… let’s talk! You might have to buy some rounds of drinks to get out of dodge!
 
IVA's Club Longdale, Okla in the 70's. This little joint was known for weekend Big Money Pool Games after closing Hours. It would start about 3AM and run till noon the next day or so.Kind of a invite games. If you would call it that. If you had 5K and could show it, you were invited. Guns, Drugs, Women, and all you could stand in Action. Seen a Race to 10 for 50K in there once. You had better know some of the Locals or it could get unhealthy real quick. Long Time ago but I remember it well.
the Case Madrid in Melrose Park, Il. in the early 60's

they closed the bar tables down at about 5 am for about a half hour to "clean up"

a hillbilly from Tn (went by the name of "bunny") was playing a local for 10 or 20 a game and was stuck a few games when the clean up guy advised them they'd have to stop play, bunny's backer lost his shit, must of thought the game was over, had words with the clean up guy and ended up shooting him in the head, killing him.

Bunny and his backer got up the stairs in seconds a few minutes before the fifes arrived.

As far as I know they were never caught.

A few yrs later a lot of Hispanics were coming in on Fri & Sat night, as were a number hillbillys and members of the hells henchmen, mc.
On a weekend night a Hispanic stabbed a biker, the club retaliated the following weekend by filtering in small groups until 50+- were there at which time they blocked the exits and had open season ( no guns ) on Hispanics with hammers, knives, brass knuckles, etc for no more than a couple of minutes. The joint was a mess., I stayed in the pool table area. This was apprx a yr prior to becoming an outrider with them which was is a whole other story
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George Walker's "Stardust Lounge" at north and western gets well deserved honorable mention
 
In a post up above “Wonderlan” mentions Mc Girr’s on Eighth Avenue, and specifically affirms that it was not a dive. It deserves to be more often called to mind. It was gigantic and old school. When I had to catch a bus at the Port Authority back to New Jersey, I would wait it out in McGirr’s rather than the bus terminal. What do you need to say about the atmosphere of a place after you mention that its neighbor was The Greek Merchant Seamen’s Association. I wasn’t there often, but I loved the place. Never had a problem.

I believe the proprietor may have been one of the promoters of the wonderful old straight pool championships played at The Commodore Hotel. If that is true, he deserves some recognition.
 

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My basement ...does not get any lower than that. The music..the shit that goes on. The ugliness.
 
Went there long ago and had no troubles.

I believe that was where the Cooney Mrs. got shot though!

While not DC, that area's adjacent and just as horrid.
I went to Golden Cue in the mid-70s myself, and had no trouble. But I went during the day. You wouldn't catch me there at night.
 
Neat read I stumbled upon as a result of and earlier post here.


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TWENTY year save!! He shoots, he scores!!!! Tulsa's primo den of inequity was Boulder Billiards. When i was going it was just 'Fat Randy's' because he had it at the time. Old school walk down joint full of old B'wicks. You could literally get anything there: a pool game, gin/poker, foosball, good weed, female 'entertainment',you name it it was on the menu. I still miss it.
 
In a post up above “Wonderlan” mentions Mc Girr’s on Eighth Avenue, and specifically affirms that it was not a dive. It deserves to be more often called to mind. It was gigantic and old school. When I had to catch a bus at the Port Authority back to New Jersey, I would wait it out in McGirr’s rather than the bus terminal. What do you need to say about the atmosphere of a place after you mention that its neighbor was The Greek Merchant Seamen’s Association. I wasn’t there often, but I loved the place. Never had a problem.

I believe the proprietor may have been one of the promoters of the wonderful old straight pool championships played at The Commodore Hotel. If that is true, he deserves some recognition.
I used to frequent McGirrs in the mid to late 70's. Not really a dive, but not the best part of town in those days. More than once I got propositioned for a "date" as I was walking down the steps to go into the place. i was in there one time and Brooklyn Jimmy was reading the days racing form and a rat fell out of the ceiling onto his lap. I also never had a problem inside the room.
 
as said 7 11 was a players room but really so called shady. but had the top players in the world hanging out most days.

lots of rooms had bikers and creeps running the place but werent really pool rooms as say just hangout places.
 
Kind of off topic, but what is the shadiest pool hall that you ever visited, that is still open today?

For me, I think maybe Buffalos, in New Orleans. There, you will find all types of different characters.

I personally always felt very out of place, when visiting there. It is actually a very nice pool hall though, with really great cheeseburgers, in my experience.

Some of the characters in that place just seemed really rough to me.

The owner of the place (James Leone) is always telling stories about the goings on, in there, and he has had a ton of very interesting stories, over the years. He mostly talks about the shadiness of his own staff though. They seem like family to him though. Oh, and he is a super cool guy, with a heart of gold.
 
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