Shane Has Won World Titles

[corvette1340]

What they 'can't comprehend' is why you're so boringly aggressive. Does variance explain that?

I guess variance explains why most foreigners can't comprehend simple math. Has to be a retarded DNA strand that won't allow basic mathematical understanding.

 

[Ron Swanson]

Enough with this race to 100 BS.

You know how I know that Shane is the best player in the world right now? By the simple fact he has dominated the money list in the last 6 to 7 years. Over $150k earned in the last 4 years consecutively.

Who else has done that? In a time when pool is dying, and tournaments don't pay anything, he still remains on top.

Remember when Garreth Potts had his brief stay atop the leader board at the beginning of this year? When he won one tournament? What has he done since? Anyone?

Pure trolling. To even put SVB in the same sentence as Potts is utterly laughable. SVB is a third tier cueist compared to the top snooker/english pool guys. Great breaker, but not in the same ballpark as a player. High time you lot understood this.

 

[ineedaspot]

you are exactly right Jay, because short race tourneys have way more variance than a long race. Make it even shorter (7) and alternate break and you level the playing field out even more and make it where the worst player has a better chance at winning. You of all people should understand the variance of tournament play. None of the rest of these assclowns understand. Anyone with a decent knowledge of poker can win a big tournament if the deck hits them in the face and the situations fall right. The same people can win for a night or two in cash games, BUT the same can't be said for those people in the long run. The best players always get the cheese in the long run. It's just simple math and these people can't comprehend that.

Alternate break has nothing to do with it. Race length is the variable that matters, and it's not much different at WPC than at the US Open. The other important variable is field strength which is higher at WPC than at the US Open.

I don't see how you can rationally insist that SVB would beat anyone in the world in a long enough race. There's just not enough data to tell.

 

[JB Cases]

This always makes me laugh. What on earth makes you think we wouldn't rip the shit out of you had we registered with our real names?

Those worthy of derision get it, whether anonymously or not. You are perfectly free to register anonymously on thesnookerforum, say, and see how British people in general view your posts. You will be back here in minutes, hiding behind the anonymous names that you dont seem to mind on AZB la-la land.

It's YOU who's afraid to come out and play, pal, not me.

I have no psychological need to go into someone else's playground and troll them for jollies Thaiger.

It's just YOUR opinion that some are worthy of derision. But then you are a super nobody whose opinion doesn't matter in the least. We all know that a response like this is all you are looking for to make your day.

If someone like me ignores you then you probably stay depressed for a week.

As for the anonymity, well quite lessens the chance that I may show up someday if I happen to be passing through your corner of the world and give you the chance to talk to me in person as you give yourself license to do here.

I am pretty sure you wouldn't do the same under your real name....most of those who troll don't want to be known.

Anyway, lets play a game. You troll and I will ignore you. Use your super stalker database and say the worst things you can say to me which won't get you banned. I won't respond and we can see how long you can keep it up. I'd make a bet with you on who cracks first but I don't bet with anons.

 

[AtLarge]

To win the U.S. Open, Shane had to win EIGHT Races to Eleven, against eight very talented players. That's a total of 88 games he won! My personal feeling is that doing this is far more difficult than winning one long race against anybody. Dennis meanwhile won NINE Races to Eleven, only losing twice to Shane. Both of them had an outstanding won-loss record as well in total games played.

Not that it affects the point of your argument, but a few factual corrections are needed here.

Shane got a bye in the first round, so he won 7 matches, not 8, and one of them was a race to 13 rather than 11. His overall record in games was 79-52, for a game-winning percentage of 60%.

Dennis played 10 matches, winning 8 races to 11 and losing 1 race to 11 and 1 race to 13. His overall record in games was 103-58, for a game-winning percentage of 64%. [And against all his opponents not named Shane, he won 72% of his games!]

 

[JB Cases]

Pure trolling. To even put SVB in the same sentence as Potts is utterly laughable. SVB is a third tier cueist compared to the top snooker/english pool guys. Great breaker, but not in the same ballpark as a player. High time you lot understood this.

Well, that's easy. Send Gareth to America to take Shane's backers off for more than he won at the Chinese 8 Ball tournament. He can play Shane an all around and beat him at every game. 8 ball, 9 ball, 10 ball, 14.1 and one pocket. Additionally they can play bank pool as well.

I will put up 10-20k on Shane's side of it. I am sure Shane's millionaire backers will be willing to go for a lot more than that.

Go on now, ring up your contacts and get it going, pip pip toodle ooo.

 

[sonnymanila]

i would not bet against Shane. to bet against him is a stupid thing. it doesnt matter how long the race is, he is that good. even the pinoy players acknowledge he is the best american player.

 

[ineedaspot]

i would not bet against Shane. to bet against him is a stupid thing. it doesnt matter how long the race is, he is that good. even the pinoy players acknowledge he is the best american player.

Of course he's the best American player. The question is how does he rank worldwide.

 

[sonnymanila]

We dont have too many pool tournaments around the world, but I would still bet for SVB against any euro/asian guys. But I dont like SVB nuthuggers suggesting race to 100

 

[JB Cases]

We dont have too many pool tournaments around the world, but I would still bet for SVB against any euro/asian guys. But I dont like SVB nuthuggers suggesting race to 100

Why not? The race to 100 is firmly established as the ultimate race. It was fine when Efren won $100,000 by beating Earl Strickland in a race to 120.

And he came back after being like 17 games down going into the final day. Who could ask for more drama than that.

I wouldn't bet on Shane against most of the top Asians in short races. I wouldn't bet against him either. Why not? Because it's pretty much a coin flip every time.

 

[JB Cases]

Of course he's the best American player. The question is how does he rank worldwide.

#2 on the World Pool Association's rank list.

#1 on the Money won list.

 

[ineedaspot]

#2 on the World Pool Association's rank list.

#1 on the Money won list.

Neither of those mean all that much worldwide. There aren't enough tournaments for the WPA ranking to be as meaningful as say tennis rankings. Basically the guy who wins WPC comes out number 1. It's possible that Niels is the top player and Shane is number 2, but the rankings are based on too few datapoints to really say.

The money ranking misses some tourneys, and mostly covers the US. Ko isn't even on the list, and Chang's total is based on only 3 results.

Shane is the best player in the US for sure, but worldwide, there's just not enough data to tell.

 

[corvette1340]

Neither of those mean all that much worldwide. There aren't enough tournaments for the WPA ranking to be as meaningful as say tennis rankings. Basically the guy who wins WPC comes out number 1. It's possible that Niels is the top player and Shane is number 2, but the rankings are based on too few datapoints to really say.

The money ranking misses some tourneys, and mostly covers the US. Ko isn't even on the list, and Chang's total is based on only 3 results.

Shane is the best player in the US for sure, but worldwide, there's just not enough data to tell.

the only data you need is that it's well known that Shane will play any swinging dick on the planet in a longer race or ahead set and none will play him.

 

[Ron Swanson]

I have no psychological need to go into someone else's playground and troll them for jollies Thaiger.

It's just YOUR opinion that some are worthy of derision. But then you are a super nobody whose opinion doesn't matter in the least. We all know that a response like this is all you are looking for to make your day.

If someone like me ignores you then you probably stay depressed for a week.

As for the anonymity, well quite lessens the chance that I may show up someday if I happen to be passing through your corner of the world and give you the chance to talk to me in person as you give yourself license to do here.

I am pretty sure you wouldn't do the same under your real name....most of those who troll don't want to be known.

Anyway, lets play a game. You troll and I will ignore you. Use your super stalker database and say the worst things you can say to me which won't get you banned. I won't respond and we can see how long you can keep it up. I'd make a bet with you on who cracks first but I don't bet with anons.

All this because i asked you why you had started using the 'p' word...who is trolling who?

Anyway, I've a better game. Why dont we both register on TSF, me using my real name and you anonymously. You start a pro CTE thread and I'll start an anti one, and we'll see who is run out of town first.

You up for it, pardner?

 

[Ron Swanson]

Well, that's easy. Send Gareth to America to take Shane's backers off for more than he won at the Chinese 8 Ball tournament. He can play Shane an all around and beat him at every game. 8 ball, 9 ball, 10 ball, 14.1 and one pocket. Additionally they can play bank pool as well.

I will put up 10-20k on Shane's side of it. I am sure Shane's millionaire backers will be willing to go for a lot more than that.

Go on now, ring up your contacts and get it going, pip pip toodle ooo.

All around? You mean 1. American pool, 2. English pool, 3. Chinese pool and 4. Snooker. Actually, forget snooker - let's just stick to who is the greatest pool player.

Race to 100 on each is:

American pool 65 SVB, 35 Potts
English pool 20 SVB, 80 Potts
Chinese pool 25 SVB, 75 Potts

All around, Potts by a landslide. Or are you just talking about games with massive pockets where you can't miss?

 

[JB Cases]

Neither of those mean all that much worldwide. There aren't enough tournaments for the WPA ranking to be as meaningful as say tennis rankings. Basically the guy who wins WPC comes out number 1. It's possible that Niels is the top player and Shane is number 2, but the rankings are based on too few datapoints to really say.

The money ranking misses some tourneys, and mostly covers the US. Ko isn't even on the list, and Chang's total is based on only 3 results.

Shane is the best player in the US for sure, but worldwide, there's just not enough data to tell.

The rankings count for the players. In addition to a few perks like invitations to WPA events they like the prestige that the #1 spot carries.

And as for money won....since all these players are professionals who depend on pool for their income it seems to me that they would all prefer to be the one making the most cash. You can't tell me there is any top player that doesn't want to be the number one money earner.

How do you know what tournaments the money rankings include? Are you the one inputting the data?

Here is how Shane and Ko Pin Yi stack up

Shane has made more in two years than Ko has made in the past six.

 

[Ron Swanson]

I guess variance explains why most foreigners can't comprehend simple math. Has to be a retarded DNA strand that won't allow basic mathematical understanding.

Does it explain xenophobia?

 

[JB Cases]

All around? You mean 1. American pool, 2. English pool, 3. Chinese pool and 4. Snooker. Actually, forget snooker - let's just stick to who is the greatest pool player.

Race to 100 on each is:

American pool 65 SVB, 35 Potts
English pool 20 SVB, 80 Potts
Chinese pool 25 SVB, 75 Potts

All around, Potts by a landslide. Or are you just talking about games with massive pockets where you can't miss?

If American pool is so easy Potts should easily win any game.

What's the problem? Get Darren Appleton to train him up and come over and beat the yanks at their own game.

You keep saying Potts (great name for a British player) is the better "cueist". Well then a better cueist plus an easier table ought to be a massacre.

If Shane had grown up playing pool on English tables then he would be a champion on them. As it is if he was serious about them now he would give Mr. Potts all he could handle.

But instead Shane is content to make far more money than Potts playing the games he grew up with on tables he is familiar with.

Maybe you should convince your players to come over here and get some of this money Shane is making since everyone with a British passport is obviously better than Shane in your eyes.

 

[ineedaspot]

The rankings count for the players. In addition to a few perks like invitations to WPA events they like the prestige that the #1 spot carries.

Sure, they count for something, but still not enough data to be a meaningful measure of who the best is.

And as for money won....since all these players are professionals who depend on pool for their income it seems to me that they would all prefer to be the one making the most cash. You can't tell me there is any top player that doesn't want to be the number one money earner.

Yeah, everyone wants more money. That doesn't mean the AZ money list is a good measure of who the top pool player in the world is.

How do you know what tournaments the money rankings include? Are you the one inputting the data?

Here is how Shane and Ko Pin Yi stack up

Shane has made more in two years than Ko has made in the past six.

I have no idea how they select tournaments, but it obviously covers the US primarily. Ko didn't even play in most of the tournaments Shane cashed in, neither did a lot of Asian players. I also don't know how Ko spends his time in Taiwan, but I have a hard time believing that he only cashed seven times all year and that four of those cashes were during the two weeks he spent in the US. If that's true, then there are way more monster players in Taiwan that I could ever imagine.

 

[Ron Swanson]

If American pool is so easy Potts should easily win any game.

What's the problem? Get Darren Appleton to train him up and come over and beat the yanks at their own game.

You keep saying Potts (great name for a British player) is the better "cueist". Well then a better cueist plus an easier table ought to be a massacre.

If Shane had grown up playing pool on English tables then he would be a champion on them. As it is if he was serious about them now he would give Mr. Potts all he could handle.

But instead Shane is content to make far more money than Potts playing the games he grew up with on tables he is familiar with.

Maybe you should convince your players to come over here and get some of this money Shane is making since everyone with a British passport is obviously better than Shane in your eyes.

Welcome back. That didn't last long lol.

A better cueist is at a disadvantage on easier equipment, relatively speaking. Perhaps our resident variance types can explain why.

The best pool players are those that can master the toughest tables. Any big fatso can lump a golf ball 300 yards, but can he manoeuvre it into the hole?