Shanon Daulton wins the Banks

[vagabond]

Here in Plaza casino party is over after 5 days of pool.Shanon beat Brandon Shuff in the finals of the Banks.Shanon made real fancy banks including one 4 rail bank.Brandon did not win even a`single game.
In the 10 Ball ,Dave Datillo, a californian beat Dany Medina in the finals to win the tournament.
I met Mike Howerton this afternoon at the tournament site.
Party is over folks.

 

[barrett9ball]

Here in Plaza casino party is over after 5 days of pool.Shanon beat Brandon Shuff in the finals of the Banks.Shanon made real fancy banks including one 4 rail bank.Brandon did not win even a`single game.
In the 10 Ball ,Dave Datillo, a californian beat Dany Medina in the finals to win the tournament.
I met Mike Howerton this afternoon at the tournament site.
Party is over folks.

Wow!!! congrats to Mr. Daulton. But how about the week (or Fall for that matter) that young Brandon Shuff has had!!!! Put on a show at the U.S. Open 9-ball in Sept!! A real nice showing in 1-P and a finals match against "The Cannon" in banks in Vegas!! We are all real proud of ya!! I've been keeping the boys in Hagerstown updated all week.

 

[vagabond]

Wow!!! congrats to Mr. Daulton. But how about the week (or Fall for that matter) that young Brandon Shuff has had!!!! Put on a show at the U.S. Open 9-ball in Sept!! A real nice showing in 1-P and a finals match against "The Cannon" in banks in Vegas!! We are all real proud of ya!! I've been keeping the boys in Hagerstown updated all week.

This young Brandon really did well during his trip to Las Vegas
By the way Shanon got 3rd place in the 10 Ball and Tang Hoa got 4th in the 10 Ball.

 

[onepocketchump]

Here in Plaza casino party is over after 5 days of pool.Shanon beat Brandon Shuff in the finals of the Banks.Shanon made real fancy banks including one 4 rail bank.Brandon did not win even a`single game.
In the 10 Ball ,Dave Datillo, a californian beat Dany Medina in the finals to win the tournament.
I met Mike Howerton this afternoon at the tournament site.
Party is over folks.

That was Fast Larry impersonating Mike Howerton, the real Mike was busy posting as 20 different people. Just Kidding Mike!

John

 

[barrett9ball]

This young Brandon really did well during his trip to Las Vegas
By the way Shanon got 3rd place in the 10 Ball and Tang Hoa got 4th in the 10 Ball.

thanks for the updates all week.

 

[vagabond]

thanks for the updates all week.

You are wellcome.

 

[Black-Balled]

I say WOW!!

 

[Shorty]

It's nice to hear Shannon hitting the balls well again...

He made a shot back at my local pool room some years ago that still has me scratching my head.

Anyone know what english and where he hits the 1 ball?

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His pocket was A, and he fired this shot in repeatedly on a shimmed Diamond with Simonis.

Probably a pretty simple shot I know for some 1 pocket players out there, but I am still curious.

Thanks for any input,
Shorty

 

[Black-Balled]

He hits that w/ hi-left, amking it had as much to do w/ hitting the proper aim point as it does w/ english.
The OB can be shot straight into the side rail, or can go off the bottom reail first, depending what is better for the CB.
I would guess that for 10 tries, 2 go in each pocket, 2 sell out, 2 are safe and then I figure it out and shoot something else 2x!

 

[Williebetmore]

It's nice to hear Shannon hitting the balls well again...

He made a shot back at my local pool room some years ago that still has me scratching my head.

Anyone know what english and where he hits the 1 ball?

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His pocket was A, and he fired this shot in repeatedly on a shimmed Diamond with Simonis.

Probably a pretty simple shot I know for some 1 pocket players out there, but I am still curious.

Thanks for any input,
Shorty

Shorty,
Extreme left English and some low if needed to avoid the kiss (its tough to avoid the kiss). This shot also can be done along the long rail, length of the table. It has to be hit hard enough to move the cue ball to avoid the kiss, soft enough so that the English on the object ball "takes" off the rail. The long rail version was shown to me by Danny DiLiberto - I can make it 2 or 3 out of 5 tries so it must not be a very hard shot (I've only tried the long rail version) if you are adept with extreme English.

 

[JAM]

It's nice to hear Shannon hitting the balls well again...

He made a shot back at my local pool room some years ago that still has me scratching my head.

Anyone know what english and where he hits the 1 ball?

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His pocket was A, and he fired this shot in repeatedly on a shimmed Diamond with Simonis.

Probably a pretty simple shot I know for some 1 pocket players out there, but I am still curious.

Thanks for any input,
Shorty

I can't give you any input on the shot, Shorty, but I gotta say I really like your newest avatar. What a sweetie pie!

JAM

 

[vagabond]

Shorty,
The long rail version was shown to me by Danny DiLiberto -.

Hi williebetmore,
I saw a post in one pocket.org,by some one who is collecting money to help Danny Dliberto to get out of Florida.The poster indicated that danny does not have resources.Please check that post in one pocket.org and see what u could do.

 

[Shorty]

I can't give you any input on the shot, Shorty, but I gotta say I really like your newest avatar. What a sweetie pie!

JAM

Thanks JAM, that's my baby. His name is Todd, rescued him over two years ago from the pound. He is a terrier/collie mix that is about 7 years old by my estimate. Very intelligient dog. He is my bestest buddy and loves to go on walks and chase lizards. Poor fella has bad hips though, so we have to give him aspirin. He curls up in a ball at night that is smaller than most cats. Always can be found on my pillow or at my feet. What's funny is everyone in my neighborhood is so jealous they don't own this dog. He is so calm and great with kids. Everyone else has labs and boxers and they are dumb as a box of rocks. I can literally take my dog for a walk with no leash and he listens better than my 5 year old boy.

Great, great dog and I always recommend pound animals to everyone.

Shorty

 

[Black-Balled]

Hi williebetmore,
I saw a post in one pocket.org,by some one who is collecting money to help Danny Dliberto to get out of Florida.The poster indicated that danny does not have resources.Please check that post in one pocket.org and see what u could do.

There is also a post on AZB- you heard it first, here folks, FWIW- that gives paypal info. Every little bit helps & time is of the essence.

 

[Jal]

Shorty,
Extreme left English and some low if needed to avoid the kiss (its tough to avoid the kiss). This shot also can be done along the long rail, length of the table. It has to be hit hard enough to move the cue ball to avoid the kiss, soft enough so that the English on the object ball "takes" off the rail. ...

If I'm seeing it right, it looks to be around a thirty degree cut (half ball hit). If so, I'm pretty sure you can get more spin on the object ball with either no english or even a touch of right, depending on the exact angle.

Sorry to nitpick, but I think it's a useful thing to know.

Jim

 

[Williebetmore]

If I'm seeing it right, it looks to be around a thirty degree cut (half ball hit). If so, I'm pretty sure you can get more spin on the object ball with either no english or even a touch of right, depending on the exact angle.

Sorry to nitpick, but I think it's a useful thing to know.

Jim

J-man,
I believe this would be totally impossible with right English or no English - set it up the next time you practice and let us know. Only heavy left English will counteract the object balls natural rebound up table. Good luck (but I think you are wasting your time attempting it without heavy inside/left English).

P.S. - all of this is assuming that the Wei diagram is correct and that the object ball is close to the foot rail cushion.

 

[Black-Balled]

J-man,
I believe this would be totally impossible with right English or no English - set it up the next time you practice and let us know. Only heavy left English will counteract the object balls natural rebound up table. Good luck (but I think you are wasting your time attempting it without heavy inside/left English).

P.S. - all of this is assuming that the Wei diagram is correct and that the object ball is close to the foot rail cushion.

I get the same impression from WEI, that the OB needs to come up/ off the rail to get to the side one. I tried to type it in my first post, but the typos kina detractigated from my point: IMO, the making of this ball is more dependant on hitting the right (correct) part of the nose of the cushion than on english. Would I shoot it w/ no or R english? NFWay! But, IMO, it is a similar shot to going off one of the side pocket points. Ain't no english gonna help, you gotta recognize the aim point.

 

[Snapshot9]

No...no...no

If I'm seeing it right, it looks to be around a thirty degree cut (half ball hit). If so, I'm pretty sure you can get more spin on the object ball with either no english or even a touch of right, depending on the exact angle.

Sorry to nitpick, but I think it's a useful thing to know.

Jim

You are not right ... Wille was right ... and you don't measure
cut degrees on the ball, you measure them in line with the rail
straight ahead to the point where it hits on the rail after you
cut it (or the pocket, whichever). Besides, with your incorrect
way of thinking, a half ball hit would be 45 degrees, not 30.
(The angle would be the difference of going straight towards
the corner pocket to the point on the long rail where the ob hits,
which, IMO, about a 3-4 degree cut and a back cut at that)
You can hit on an object ball 10 degrees, but not end up with
a 10 degree cut, etc. because of speed, english, etc..)

 

[Jal]

J-man,
I believe this would be totally impossible with right English or no English - set it up the next time you practice and let us know. Only heavy left English will counteract the object balls natural rebound up table. Good luck (but I think you are wasting your time attempting it without heavy inside/left English).

P.S. - all of this is assuming that the Wei diagram is correct and that the object ball is close to the foot rail cushion.

Unless I'm reading you wrong, I think the purpose of the heavy left english is to put as much right english on the OB as possible. If so, I can only reiterate that you'll get the most spin with no english, or maybe a touch of left or right depending on the cut angle and assuming it's around 30 degrees or greater. You'll get maximum throw along with the spin too, so that has to be compensated for.

I think there is a good reason for using moderate to heavy left in that the spin/throw of the OB is less sensitive to tip placement and still fairly subtantial, but if your goal is maximum spin...

I don't have the time right now but I'll give you my reasons for this a little later, if I may. Sorry to be obscure.

Jim

 

[Williebetmore]

, I can only reiterate that you'll get the most spin with no english, or maybe a touch of left or right depending on the cut angle and assuming it's around 30 degrees or greater. You'll get maximum throw along with the spin too, so that has to be compensated for.

Jim

J,
It could be that you are considering a different shot than the rest of us (not an uncommon occurrence with Wei shots, that often are a little difficult to assess). I believe we are talking about a shot where the object ball has to be cut at an angle AWAY from the foot rail cushion, striking the long rail at least a balls width UPtable from the corner pocket, and then having enough English to make it rebound in enough of a DOWNTABLE direction to come back to the corner pocket. The object ball has to have enough spin applied (in this case counterclockwise) to make it grab the long rail, cancel the directional momentum that it has in the uptable direction, and spin off the rail in a down table direction, back to the corner pocket.

I was instructed that this can ONLY be done with very heavy left English (near the edge of the ball), and yes there is SIGNIFICANT throw and deflection to account for if you are to shoot it successfully. In addition, the speed is critical. Too hard and the object ball has too much momentum for the counterclockwise spin to overcome. To soft and there is not enough speed to make it back to the corner pocket, or even the possibility of the object ball banking too far back into the foot rail.

I think you may be considering a different shot, for there is no way to make this bank without imparting serious counterclockwise spin to the object ball with heavy inside. If there is another way, I would love to know about it; but what you are describing seems impossible given the scenario I was considering. Perhaps some of the one-pocket heavyweights will weigh in on the subject - I would certainly defer to them. Anyway, back to the woodshed, big match Wednesday.