Sharing my old Brunswick table

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Thought I'd share my table on here. From what my grandfather told me of it, it's an old Monarch model, over a century old, and as far as he knew at the time, he only knew of three in existence, and they were all in Pennsylvania. I'm pretty sure there's more then that, but it's definitely not one you see every day. As far as I know, it's the only one in Canada.

We've had it in the family since the 50's, but after being in a poorly ventilated basement by a cistern, we finally moved it out of the house when my grandfather passed away. Took four guys that looked like they'd be a good O line to heave up each of those slate pieces! Been sitting at my dad's place for a while, and hopefully soon, I'll be able to get it properly restored.

So if you know anything about these tables, their history, knowledge, what parts I'm missing, or someone that does classic pool table restorations in Canada, please message away~!
 

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great old tables and play old. but really good for a home player not looking to go on tour.

dont try to turn it into a diamond or newish table. if you want that get one of those.

any good wood worker can restore its looks. might not need more than that except for new setup

get that plastic off it. or you will get mold. if you havent already
 
canadiancreed said:
Thought I'd share my table on here. From what my grandfather told me of it, it's an old Monarch model, over a century old, and as far as he knew at the time, he only knew of three in existence, and they were all in Pennsylvania. I'm pretty sure there's more then that, but it's definitely not one you see every day. As far as I know, it's the only one in Canada.

We've had it in the family since the 50's, but after being in a poorly ventilated basement by a cistern, we finally moved it out of the house when my grandfather passed away. Took four guys that looked like they'd be a good O line to heave up each of those slate pieces! Been sitting at my dad's place for a while, and hopefully soon, I'll be able to get it properly restored.

So if you know anything about these tables, their history, knowledge, what parts I'm missing, or someone that does classic pool table restorations in Canada, please message away~!
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Pockets have a snooker look. I have seen old films of Greenlief and the table he was playing on from then had similar pockets. I think the pockets 100 years ago were perhaps actually quite tight.
 
they were wide but many were tight. but not as tight as modern tourny tables..

but if pockets are too wide and loose just aim to one side for practice, that will help you more with aiming then hanging bobbled balls on tight pockets
 
middleofnowhere said:
Pockets have a snooker look. I have seen old films of Greenlief and the table he was playing on from then had similar pockets. I think the pockets 100 years ago were perhaps actually quite tight.
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From how the story goes, my grandfather got it off a guy back in the 50's. Considering it's Canada, the odds of snooker pockets would be a bit higher back then if one had been replaced. I wonder if it'd be worth looking into replacing them, or if they were sold like that in Canada, or if the Brunswick model that this is was even sold in Canada originally?
 
maha said:
great old tables and play old. but really good for a home player not looking to go on tour.

dont try to turn it into a diamond or newish table. if you want that get one of those.

any good wood worker can restore its looks. might not need more than that except for new setup

get that plastic off it. or you will get mold. if you havent already
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Ya I have no illusions of ever going on any sort of tour or even playing competitively. End game is having it as a centerpiece for a mancave, something I can invite friends over to play on. It'd be original, nothing newish at all. Making it newish would be like taking the Mona Lisa and spray painting a smile face on top.

That would actually be great to here. I know there's a ton of them around as I live near our capital, they're doing a ton of wood work for the parliament buildings, and I think that's ending soonish.

More then liekly there already is. It was a good idea at the time as the old cover was tattered, but ya, hindsight is 20/20
 
Cuebuddy said:
It is hard to see the table clearly but the base appears to be a Brunswick Monarch.
Yes, rare table and sought after by collectors. Yours maybe a Snooker table as they were made different sizes, including 10'.
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Did the Monarch come as a snooker table? I'll be hoenst, outside of the name and it's unusual "legs", I know little of it, and what little I knew I learned from my grandfather. DId they have a snooker variant? I know the measurements are 4.5" by 9"
 
canadiancreed said:
From how the story goes, my grandfather got it off a guy back in the 50's. Considering it's Canada, the odds of snooker pockets would be a bit higher back then if one had been replaced. I wonder if it'd be worth looking into replacing them, or if they were sold like that in Canada, or if the Brunswick model that this is was even sold in Canada originally?
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I think where snooker is played that is how they sometimes do their pockets. Playing around Europe I saw a number of pool tables with with rounded pockets. In italy I played on tables with pockets so small the ball hardly fit.

Here is two pictures of that kind of table I italy

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canadiancreed said:
Thought I'd share my table on here. From what my grandfather told me of it, it's an old Monarch model, over a century old, and as far as he knew at the time, he only knew of three in existence, and they were all in Pennsylvania. I'm pretty sure there's more then that, but it's definitely not one you see every day. As far as I know, it's the only one in Canada.

We've had it in the family since the 50's, but after being in a poorly ventilated basement by a cistern, we finally moved it out of the house when my grandfather passed away. Took four guys that looked like they'd be a good O line to heave up each of those slate pieces! Been sitting at my dad's place for a while, and hopefully soon, I'll be able to get it properly restored.

So if you know anything about these tables, their history, knowledge, what parts I'm missing, or someone that does classic pool table restorations in Canada, please message away~!
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That table is a serious Brunswick collector's item. The cast iron base with the lions head design.

Thanks for sharing the pictures.
 
canadiancreed said:
Did the Monarch come as a snooker table? I'll be hoenst, outside of the name and it's unusual "legs", I know little of it, and what little I knew I learned from my grandfather. DId they have a snooker variant? I know the measurements are 4.5" by 9"
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Not that I know of. 4.5' x 9' Snooker table would be odd and very hard to turn a pool table to a Snooker table, it is not all that easy
 
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iusedtoberich said:
He’s in Canada. They had different models there. Even a 6x12 GC snooker table that was never in the USA.

From what I recall reading Brunswick had a Canadian factory for the Canadian market. Idk if that factory was as early as this table though.

Btw why do we think it’s a Brunswick?
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Good info. Looking at it on my phone, Lions for base pedestals, there were not a lot of manufacturers making a base like that.
 
Tried a search with that data with Google's AI, and it returned something about The Brunswick-Balke-Collender "Brilliant" (and its very close relative, the "Nonpareil"), apparently made in sizes such as 6x12, 5x10, and 4.5x9, known as a Professional Ninth. Don't know how full of it this is; it is AI after all, but maybe that helps?

Also speaking of Canadian makers, it mentioned Samuel May out of Toronto? Now you see why I asked here, the search brings more questions :D
 
canadiancreed said:
Thought I'd share my table on here. From what my grandfather told me of it, it's an old Monarch model, over a century old, and as far as he knew at the time, he only knew of three in existence, and they were all in Pennsylvania. I'm pretty sure there's more then that, but it's definitely not one you see every day. As far as I know, it's the only one in Canada.

We've had it in the family since the 50's, but after being in a poorly ventilated basement by a cistern, we finally moved it out of the house when my grandfather passed away. Took four guys that looked like they'd be a good O line to heave up each of those slate pieces! Been sitting at my dad's place for a while, and hopefully soon, I'll be able to get it properly restored.

So if you know anything about these tables, their history, knowledge, what parts I'm missing, or someone that does classic pool table restorations in Canada, please message away~!
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Hi, you showed pictures of the table covered (so I could not see the felt or the pockets), but then you showed a picture of one of the side pockets uncovered. Those look like Snooker rails, for the side pocket. I imagine the rest of the pockets have rounded Snooker rails on them too. Makes me think that is a Snooker table, not a Pool table.

Would have been cool to see the entire table uncovered.

Very beautiful though, in any case. That is so cool.
 
middleofnowhere said:
I think where snooker is played that is how they sometimes do their pockets. Playing around Europe I saw a number of pool tables with with rounded pockets. In italy I played on tables with pockets so small the ball hardly fit.

Here is two pictures of that kind of table I italy

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Looks like that might be a Russian Pyramid table.
 
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