I have never seen either of these guys away from the US Open Convention Center but hear and read about both guys consistently. Where are they from? Who is the better nine ball player, or lets say who would win if they played 10 ahead for $5000. And who would win a race to 7 in one pocket, assuming they both play the game?
Shawn Putnam vs Larry Nevel
- Thread starter NorthCarolinian
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NorthCarolinian said:
Just my opinion but if gambling Nevel wins in every game
especially the one pocket.
In tournament play Putnam can beat anyone in one race.
Both are good players
Nevel is one of the best one-pocket players in the world, on a good day he can give Efren a run for the money. No contest against Shawn.
Both are great players as mentioned. I would say Shawn plays a tighter, more conservative 9-ball game, with clean, simple patterns and well-thought-out position. Expect more safeties. Nevel is the better shotmaker as well as the more offensive player, something that can get him in trouble if he is not on. If he is on, he is unbelievable to watch. Larry easily has one of the most powerful strokes in the world, I have personally seen him do draw shots that people have told me are impossible. In 9-ball, you might as well toss a coin to see who wins, because both have very good breaks, and are capable of running out. Its a matter of who is more on.
Both players have yet to climb to the very upper echelon of pool playing because their consistency fluctuates more then that of an Archer, Efren, or Strickland.
Both are great players as mentioned. I would say Shawn plays a tighter, more conservative 9-ball game, with clean, simple patterns and well-thought-out position. Expect more safeties. Nevel is the better shotmaker as well as the more offensive player, something that can get him in trouble if he is not on. If he is on, he is unbelievable to watch. Larry easily has one of the most powerful strokes in the world, I have personally seen him do draw shots that people have told me are impossible. In 9-ball, you might as well toss a coin to see who wins, because both have very good breaks, and are capable of running out. Its a matter of who is more on.
Both players have yet to climb to the very upper echelon of pool playing because their consistency fluctuates more then that of an Archer, Efren, or Strickland.
JMB said:
Thanks for taking it light on me and just telling me that my opinion should
be kept to myself on this opinion oriented board.
I should have known better and will not let it happen again.
Crap.....thats my opinion also
This is tough...
Why should I come to a board and look for others insights and opinions
if we cant post them
I guess we could be the most bandwidth friendly board on the net.
We're # 1 but we cant tell anyone here we must go elsewhere
frankncali
Sounds tome like the backers are not good gamblers! Last I checked, the horse runs in whatever race he is put in.JMB said:
I have seen both of these guys play in person and have also watched at least one Accu-Stats match with Larry. I will vouch for the fact that he has an amazing stroke. I wonder though, if he relys on it too much because he knows it can get him out of trouble sometimes.
Mike
Mike
JMB said:
As Frankcali has indicated, we all have a right to our opinion, and we enjot rhe free, and generally courteous, exhange of ideas with others on the forum. As importantly, on this board, we do everything we can to substantiate our points of view.
You have, very forcefully, contended that Nevel gambles poorly. As a poster on this forum, I'm very interested in your opinion. Perhaps you're right about Larry, but though you've implied you have extensive first hand knowledge of Nevel's track record in action in the Chicago area, you have not shared any of this knowledge with those of us on the forum.
If you'd like to share some of the specifics, such as which top players Larry has matched up with and how he has fared against them in either nine ball or one-pocket, all of us on the forum would be most interested.
Asking anyone on the forum to check with Larry's backers in the Chicago area is a bit ridiculous. If you can substantiate your opinion with hard facts based on what you've seen or what his backers have told you, please do.
JMB said:
I have a right to my opinion and so do you.
I respect your opinion. Thats what our sport is about...opinions.
Can whoever beat whoever and someone says yes and someone
says no.
Its just opinions. I have watched both gamble and IMO Nevel
did not drop any speed. I have seen Putnams game drop and
disappear at times when gambling. I have also watched Putnam
not take good games and wondered why. I think he enjoys
the tournament action better.
Nevel may not be the best gambler in the world because I saw him
win the four times I have watched him play. It only means that on those
occasions he won and played well.
Maybe he should pick better games or maybe he dogs it a little. Maybe he doesnt play to the level people think he is supposed to play at and it
costs them.
I have went in deep in good games and bad ones. One of the bad ones it
looked like the guy I was staking dogged it awefully. I just looked at
it as a loss and went on to the next matchup.
frankncali
Larry Nevel has had better showings in Major tournaments then Shawn Putnam has. Shawn is a solid A player but not a real threat in major tournaments. Larry Nevel has done real well in alot of major tournaments and has won a major tournament. As far as gambling goes I would give the edge to Nevel just because I have seen pure pool gamblers give Shawn some weight he should win with but has turned it down on several occasions. At the Viking Finale (25K guarenteed) at Northfield Billiards, Shawn had his best showing and went 2 sets with Earl Strickland (10-11 & 6-11) with Strickland winning both sets.
putnam vs nevel
i don't kow about one pocket but i've seen tony watson try to give putnum the eight in a 8 ahead set for fifteen thousand at the viking nationals three years ago.watson broke and ran two racks,got safe,putnum jumped,made the ball and ran the set out.watson said do it again so putnum did,30,000 in under an hour,not a bad payday.he had also just played a set with sambajon for 3,000,sambajon tried to give him the seven,sambajon only lasted on set and quit after losing.don't know much about nevel,he plays the tourneys here in ohio but i haven't seen him gamble.
NorthCarolinian said:
i don't kow about one pocket but i've seen tony watson try to give putnum the eight in a 8 ahead set for fifteen thousand at the viking nationals three years ago.watson broke and ran two racks,got safe,putnum jumped,made the ball and ran the set out.watson said do it again so putnum did,30,000 in under an hour,not a bad payday.he had also just played a set with sambajon for 3,000,sambajon tried to give him the seven,sambajon only lasted on set and quit after losing.don't know much about nevel,he plays the tourneys here in ohio but i haven't seen him gamble.
I got a good story to tell. Imyself live just out side chicago and know Larry veary well. One day in wisconsin i was staking Santos giving larry the last two. Sntos was winning 8-1 Santos broke and came up dry Larry proceded to get out and run the next 7 racks the toatle bet was right around 2500. he might not be the best gambler but his is ok. just my two cents.
I have had the pleasure of playing them both in various Viking events and as you all know they both play jam up and I am not quite at their level YET! I did get the chance to beat Larry's road partner, Rachel Abbink, 7-3 but he put the same punishment on me the following match.
I liked Larry's break a bit better than Shawn's but either of them are subject to put a 6 pack on you at any moment. I think that Larry has a better One pocket game.
Both players are very good. I have not seen either play for the cash but have heard various rumors that generally contradict one another. I love to draw guys of this caliber, it really makes me play my best (which is usually still not good enough
Larry is the friendlier of the 2 IMHO but both are subject to beat anyone on a given day...
I liked Larry's break a bit better than Shawn's but either of them are subject to put a 6 pack on you at any moment. I think that Larry has a better One pocket game.
Both players are very good. I have not seen either play for the cash but have heard various rumors that generally contradict one another. I love to draw guys of this caliber, it really makes me play my best (which is usually still not good enough
Larry is the friendlier of the 2 IMHO but both are subject to beat anyone on a given day...
I've seen both play in tournaments. Both have amazing levels of talent, but I'd have to say that I've seen Larry fold badly. I've seen Larry make shots that were astounding. Efferen level shots. If I had to put money on one of them, it would be Puttnam though. But both could beat anyone on any given day.
01rkclassic said:
Shawn beat Santos out of 30K in Lexington getting the 7 not Tony. He won a set against Tony and Tony pulled up.