Short Ivory Ferrules

[dakota]

I am having a new cue built by Mike Bender and I am curious to get feedback and opinions on the subject of Ivory ferrules. I am considering having my cue built with SHORT ivory ferrules. I believe Bender does 1" ivory ferrules and I am thinking about requesting either 3/4" or 5/8" ivory ferrules instead of the full length. I have played with a few shorter ferrules and seem to like the hit a little better and it seems to reduce the deflection of the cue somewhat.

Here are my questions if anyone has an answer or wants to share their opinions on the subject.

Should the shorter ferrules reduce deflection?

Will there be any negative impact by using shorter ferrules?

What advantage, if any, is there to having a longer ferrule of 1" or 1"+ compared to using a shorter ferrule of 3/4" or less?

Thanks,

Dakota

 

[BLACKHEARTCUES]

I am having a new cue built by Mike Bender and I am curious to get feedback and opinions on the subject of Ivory ferrules. I am considering having my cue built with SHORT ivory ferrules. I believe Bender does 1" ivory ferrules and I am thinking about requesting either 3/4" or 5/8" ivory ferrules instead of the full length. I have played with a few shorter ferrules and seem to like the hit a little better and it seems to reduce the deflection of the cue somewhat.

Here are my questions if anyone has an answer or wants to share their opinions on the subject.

Should the shorter ferrules reduce deflection?

Will there be any negative impact by using shorter ferrules?

What advantage, if any, is there to having a longer ferrule of 1" or 1"+ compared to using a shorter ferrule of 3/4" or less?

Thanks,

Dakota

Ivory is lighter than the maple used in shafts. A lighter tip, should give you less deflection. Therefore the shorter Ivory ferrule, will not lighten the tip. Shaft taper & tip has a lot to do with the feel or hit. You can not compare the hit of , say a Meucci or Mcdermott, with a short ferrule, to that of a Bender. You have to compare APPLES TO APPLES. Just to compare, my BLACK HEART Ivory ferrules are 1 1/4" long. Just for your info, most Ivory ferrules have about 1/4" at the tip that is solid. so at 3/4" length, doesn't leave much of a ferrule to glue...JER

 

[dakota]

JER,

Thank you for taking the time to give me some feedback on this subject. The cues that I have played with that had short ferrules have mainly been Ivorine or LBM ferrules (vs Ivory) and were on cues like Schon and Capone. I prefer the hit, feel, and sound of Ivory, but was just considering the pros and cons of using a shorter ferrule. I didn't think about the issue of the capped ferrules and the decreased amount of glue surface. Do you always use capped ferrules when doing Ivory or do you ever use ferrules that have the tennon going through to the tip?

Thanks again,

Dakota

Ivory is lighter than the maple used in shafts. A lighter tip, should give you less deflection. Therefore the shorter Ivory ferrule, will not lighten the tip. Shaft taper & tip has a lot to do with the feel or hit. You can not compare the hit of , say a Meucci or Mcdermott, with a short ferrule, to that of a Bender. You have to compare APPLES TO APPLES. Just to compare, my BLACK HEART Ivory ferrules are 1 1/4" long. Just for your info, most Ivory ferrules have about 1/4" at the tip that is solid. so at 3/4" length, doesn't leave much of a ferrule to glue...JER

 

[dakota]

JER,

I have read some other threads and articles that made me believe that the shorter (and or thinner) the ferrule the lower the end mass and the less deflection? I don't have the experience that you have, but it seems like I have read a lot of things that state the ferrule is HEAVIER than the wood, but you say that Ivory is lighter than maple? If you had a 13mm x 1" piece of Ivory vs a 13mm x 1" piece of maple you feel the maple should be heavier than Ivory?

Thanks again,

Dakota

Ivory is lighter than the maple used in shafts. A lighter tip, should give you less deflection. Therefore the shorter Ivory ferrule, will not lighten the tip. Shaft taper & tip has a lot to do with the feel or hit. You can not compare the hit of , say a Meucci or Mcdermott, with a short ferrule, to that of a Bender. You have to compare APPLES TO APPLES. Just to compare, my BLACK HEART Ivory ferrules are 1 1/4" long. Just for your info, most Ivory ferrules have about 1/4" at the tip that is solid. so at 3/4" length, doesn't leave much of a ferrule to glue...JER

 

[Arnot Wadsworth]

Ivory Ferrules

I am having a new cue built by Mike Bender and I am curious to get feedback and opinions on the subject of Ivory ferrules. I am considering having my cue built with SHORT ivory ferrules. I believe Bender does 1" ivory ferrules and I am thinking about requesting either 3/4" or 5/8" ivory ferrules instead of the full length. I have played with a few shorter ferrules and seem to like the hit a little better and it seems to reduce the deflection of the cue somewhat.

Here are my questions if anyone has an answer or wants to share their opinions on the subject.

Should the shorter ferrules reduce deflection?

Will there be any negative impact by using shorter ferrules?

What advantage, if any, is there to having a longer ferrule of 1" or 1"+ compared to using a shorter ferrule of 3/4" or less?

Thanks,

Dakota

I have made hundreds of 3/4 inch long "thru" ferrules for many years with no problems. The shorter ferrule does decrease the end weight of the shaft somewhat but it also stiffens the hit somewhat because a short tenon is stiffer than a longer tenon. I personally like the firmer hit.

The first time I saw such a configuration was on a custom Joss West cue about 20 years ago. The cue hit great.

 

[Craig Fales]

I have made hundreds of 3/4 inch long "thru" ferrules for many years with no problems. The shorter ferrule does decrease the end weight of the shaft somewhat but it also stiffens the hit somewhat because a short tenon is stiffer than a longer tenon. I personally like the firmer hit.

The first time I saw such a configuration was on a custom Joss West cue about 20 years ago. The cue hit great.

But were they ivory or not and if so how many came back cracked?
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[Arnot Wadsworth]

But were they ivory or not and if so how many came back cracked?

Read the original thread - it said Ivory Ferrules. Everything I said pertained to Ivory ferrules.

I have never had a single one break or split or anything else except play great.

 

[BLACKHEARTCUES]

I have made a lot of Ivory ferrules where the tenon goes all of the way through, with good results. I do believe that the majority of Qmakers do use the capped system. Both are fine...JER