Shortstop
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You got it! 
Prior thread. Hope this helps.
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=21886&highlight=shortstop
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=21886&highlight=shortstop
ARM9BALLER said:
I believe that link will confuse him even more. Too many Chiefs and not enough Indians in that thread.
Hell after thinking about it I thought I new but after reading that I'm confused as ever. How about we stick to Pro...Semi Pro...AAA Player...AA Player...A Player...B...C...Beginner.
A shortstop is a player that can beat just about any local amateur. However, they do not play at a level a pro can consistently. This does not mean that they cannot rise to the occasion, but just that more times than not, they will fall short when playing an "average pro".
Shortstops are usually generally known among all players within a given area and are usually the first ones to take on road players. The term shortstop is in no way derrogatory. It is actually quite a complement for the average player who does not make a living off pool. In many instances, a shortstop can also be the working 9 to 5 player who takes the weekend 1000 added tournament.
In general though, a pro player would dismantle a shortstop.
Hope this helps.
Shortstops are usually generally known among all players within a given area and are usually the first ones to take on road players. The term shortstop is in no way derrogatory. It is actually quite a complement for the average player who does not make a living off pool. In many instances, a shortstop can also be the working 9 to 5 player who takes the weekend 1000 added tournament.
In general though, a pro player would dismantle a shortstop.
Hope this helps.
Yeah , you're right. Didn't read all of the threads. I was just trying to prevent redundancy.
ledrums said:
Try this for a little light reading. It's something I posted once before and is part of a project I'm working on.
http://www.fargopool.com/ftm.html
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Here's a reply from a self confessed lifetime "shortstop".
A good player who can beat all the locals, but can't quite get there when a strong roadman comes thru town. Needs a little weight from the top players.
Like me for instance, I was the best player in Bakersfield and the whole San Joaquin Valley in California in the 70's, but when guys like Lisciotti, Marino, Billy Johnson, Cole and Peter Gunn came thru, I couldn't handle them. Peter Gunn and I had several long battles, but he always got me in the end.
I did beat Cole with weight (9-6 in One Pocket) and many other good players. Among them Billy Ray, Artesia Kenny, Cuban Joe, Wino Richard, Ron Mackey, Waterdog, Little George from Fresno, Liveta, and a couple dozen others whose names escape me. New York Blackie tried spotting me the Seven and gave up quick. And I beat Hippie Jimmy Reid with the Eight and the break. And I got a young cocky kid named Keith to spot me the Eight and he didn't like it (he was maybe 16 then). Later on Keith gave me the Eight and bar-b-qued me.
Same when I lived in Hollywood in the late 60's. I played everyone who came into the Billiard Den and beat almost all of them. Lost to Jimmy Reid, Bob Osborne and Youngblood among others. Youngblood gave me one bank on a short rack (I had to make four) and we played all day and night. I couldn't believe a young kid (he was maybe 18 or 19) could give me that game. He turned out to be a great one, one of the best bankers alive.
So being called a "shortstop" ain't all bad. It means you have a speed and are considered a "player" and not a faker.
A good player who can beat all the locals, but can't quite get there when a strong roadman comes thru town. Needs a little weight from the top players.
Like me for instance, I was the best player in Bakersfield and the whole San Joaquin Valley in California in the 70's, but when guys like Lisciotti, Marino, Billy Johnson, Cole and Peter Gunn came thru, I couldn't handle them. Peter Gunn and I had several long battles, but he always got me in the end.
I did beat Cole with weight (9-6 in One Pocket) and many other good players. Among them Billy Ray, Artesia Kenny, Cuban Joe, Wino Richard, Ron Mackey, Waterdog, Little George from Fresno, Liveta, and a couple dozen others whose names escape me. New York Blackie tried spotting me the Seven and gave up quick. And I beat Hippie Jimmy Reid with the Eight and the break. And I got a young cocky kid named Keith to spot me the Eight and he didn't like it (he was maybe 16 then). Later on Keith gave me the Eight and bar-b-qued me.
Same when I lived in Hollywood in the late 60's. I played everyone who came into the Billiard Den and beat almost all of them. Lost to Jimmy Reid, Bob Osborne and Youngblood among others. Youngblood gave me one bank on a short rack (I had to make four) and we played all day and night. I couldn't believe a young kid (he was maybe 18 or 19) could give me that game. He turned out to be a great one, one of the best bankers alive.
So being called a "shortstop" ain't all bad. It means you have a speed and are considered a "player" and not a faker.