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Im going to keep these in this thread each time I need some helpon shots

I saw this in the latest issue from professor qballs magazine

Supposed to be easy bending the ball in the corner on a double the rail shot
Im having a 95 percent fail rate and want to ask for some help

Said about 3/4 ball hit 11 oclock english

Its pretty hard for me most time I just hit the long rail first and goes 1 or 2 rails only
 

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I can't imagine this shot using left english unless I am not understanding what the shot is you are trying to reproduce. The minute left english hits rail two it is going in the wrong direction. This shot can be made using both high or low english but clearly right english.
 
Using the white ball going off the yellow, short rail first then long then back to the short scoring on the red

My cue is pointing at the short rail
 
Hah I got it now cue elevated shooting down at 11 oclock english 3/4 ball inch off the rail for the yellow

Made it 4 times in a row

Ridiculous just as at work the instant I need help and ask I see the solution
 
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hi beneath_the_sur,

the position of the 3 balls on the pic is very different than the position on your vid .

One of the problems you'll notice in the carom game is than a verrrry small difference of position for one ball (especially on the CB-OB1 couple) can mean a completely different shot

Another big problem of the carom game is the particular memory process required , to memorize the right, exact, positions ( & angles) of the 3 balls for each technical shots.

It is not so easy, it takes a lot of time , and we aren't equal. Some humans do acquire this particular memory very quickly , some need a lot of time, some years . Some will never aquire it, and that's a major fact in their stop of progression in this game.

But whatever so many ppl may claim , this particular memory process is THE basic difficulty of carom. here is the difference between advanced players and masters. You can train 18 hours/day if you want/can, but it is a waste of time of you pratice false positions !!!!

false/bad positions -> waste of freetime/practice.

The key of game progression isn't in the shots theory or in the stroke , the key is to memorize with accuracy the right, exact balls positions for all the particular , classical/easy shots. Then , and only then, you'll be able to choose the shot you wanna play. You have to concentrate your pratice on the easy shots, the playable shots. IMHO It is a waste of free time to pratice a lot on hard or impossible shots. they are hard or impossible for everybody. What you should concentrate to do is, to not miss the easy shots, to achieve them at a verrrry high % everytime , everywhere.

(i know that this advice can sound unusual . It took me 5 years to reach a general average of 10.0 at straight rails on 100 points , then 5 years more to go from a general average of 10.0 to >=20.0 on 200 points big corners tournaments . And i'm still learning the game, i know I am still a beginner , i have a lot of respect for masters & champions, i know that all i can do is to dream to their level. Carom is the school of humility.
Blombdahl , Ceulemans, Mercx , Dielis, Jaspers were all at >>100.00 general average at straight rail and 50 at balkline in national & international tournaments when they really started to play 3 cushion. That's a fact . About the koreans (Korea is an exception) , i dunno . But IMHO Cho & the other koreans can play real good at the small discipline ... )
3 cushion is so hard than at first , best is to try to learn to master the basis of carom , aka straight rail. When ppl don't do that, they are condamned to stay at a medium level, like 0.700 on 30 points , they will dream all their life to reach a general average of >0.9 . There isn't any magic solution : the stronger to straight rail you are, the bigger potential you have at 3 cushion . Don't believe me ? "rendez-vous" in 10 years ;) !!

When you want to pratice a particular shot, i would suggest you to use white taylor chalk to mark the balls position. That's the best way to be 100% sure than you'll replay the exact same shot.

My 2d suggestion would be , since you seems to begin the carom disciplines, to concentrate your efforts at first to straight rail .
Try to reach a general average of >=5.00 on a 100 points distance at straight rail (small corners) , then you will be able to progress faster at 3 cushion. 5.00 isn't so easy, it means 20 innings at max , on each games. small corners, don't even think to the big corners.

I know, i know, straight rail is boring, it can sound useless to so many players , but some things are sure :
-almost all the 3 cushion champions were, primary , when they were younger, straight rail/balkline champions. The basis of the carom disciplines is straight rail.
- to acquire this particular memory process isn't easy , but it is absolutly needed. straight rail is the king of game when it comes to positions memory , because positions memory is the key to this game.

a quick question about your thread : is it a position related to a 3 cushion point/game, or is it related to straight rail ?
 
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Hey thanks for the info so lttle I knowI about this
And I agree and can tell that being slighlty out of position certain shots will not happen
A waste of time yes and no, a trial and error process that I might remember or moght not

Hey I dig straight rail just as mich as 3c and will play each once either frustrated or tired of the other

Straight rail I find just as difficult for me as 3c , amd that's what I enjoy about it, plus all that can be learned from it

The question for this shot was related to 3c

Really happy I figured it out very neat
 
if on your pic the ob1 ob2 age on a small rail, then to play 90° on the yellow small-big-small rail , that's an artistic billard shot, aka trick-shot. way, way to hard to reach the 3d rail properly, to play with the curve.
One possibility is to play on the red, thats a simple follow shot with left english , a bit on the right side of the red small-long-small rail , no particular force, that's a +/- simple follow. The difficulty is in the ob2 position, the more near of the rail, the harder.
the are other shots possible too.

but my answer is only if the ob1 & ob2 are located on the small rail. :)
 
Shooting white, no?

Don't you just hit yellow to the corner, about half ball and with lots of mid-hi right on the cue, to the opposite side about a diamond from the corner?

Cue then goes to opposite short rail, wher the spin holds the angle and then you can score with a 4 railer from the right, or a 4 or 5 from the left?
 
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