Should I learn how to jump or just stick with kicking?

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Loun

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I cant for the life of me legally jump a cueball. I can scoop with the best of them (often times while trying to draw the full length of the table) and I can get the ball to jump off the table on a break :) But I can't legally jump the cue when I want to. I think I understand the concept and have looked at some tutorials on how to... I think part of my problem is that I play on a table which if I tear the felt I will be beaten to death so I think fear is keeping me from figuring it out.

My question is... If I am good at kicking... I can pretty much make a good hit on a ball no matter where it is on the table, however I often times can't pocket that ball, I can only hit it. Should I learn to jump the cue ball or just keep practicing with the kicks instead? How much risk is there to tearing the felt if done correctly? And wheres the best tutorial on it? I think im going to go in search of blackjacks page to see if its on there.

Any comments or suggestions are welcome. Thanks

-Lou
 
i dont think its really necessary at a b level, if you are higher than that, i wouldnt know. its not always a good idea to try to pocket shots like that anyways, id much rather kick to a safety rather than jump and pocket a ball because even if you make the jump, it is unlikely you will make shape on the next ball and you are also very likely to scratch with a jump if the object ball is near a rail.
 
Loun said:
I cant for the life of me legally jump a cueball. I can scoop with the best of them (often times while trying to draw the full length of the table) and I can get the ball to jump off the table on a break :) But I can't legally jump the cue when I want to. I think I understand the concept and have looked at some tutorials on how to... I think part of my problem is that I play on a table which if I tear the felt I will be beaten to death so I think fear is keeping me from figuring it out.

My question is... If I am good at kicking... I can pretty much make a good hit on a ball no matter where it is on the table, however I often times can't pocket that ball, I can only hit it. Should I learn to jump the cue ball or just keep practicing with the kicks instead? How much risk is there to tearing the felt if done correctly? And wheres the best tutorial on it? I think im going to go in search of blackjacks page to see if its on there.

Any comments or suggestions are welcome. Thanks

-Lou
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jumping and kicking are both neccesary in pool. each has its own proper use, and a time to use it.

in this game, if your opponent knows more than you.......he has an advantage.......learn to jump.

VAP
 
As far as what type of player I am, I still consider myself a true beginner, since I dont have a full year invested yet, so id say a c rated player... but i always under estimate myself so I guess I would be a b player. The only thing I have to judge by is my 1 session in the APA and im winning as a 5.

vaplayer
Thank you for the input. I would eventually have forced myself to learn how to do it, I just didnt know where I should throw it on my priority list :) Kick, Jump, Masse, Learn to pocket dead balls straight 2ft 8-ball shots...

heh
 
Loun said:
vaplayer
Thank you for the input. I would eventually have forced myself to learn how to do it, I just didnt know where I should throw it on my priority list :) Kick, Jump, Masse, Learn to pocket dead balls straight 2ft 8-ball shots...

heh
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i'll make it simple.........learn it all.

5 in the apa is most of the time a D/C player by the way........don't overestimate yourself..........you'll go broke.

VAP
 
vapoolplayer said:
i'll make it simple.........learn it all.

5 in the apa is most of the time a D/C player by the way........don't overestimate yourself..........you'll go broke.

VAP
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I def. wont go broke since I dont play for money :) I was under the impression it was an A, B, C rating system but nope im a self proclaimed beginner that still has a ton to learn :) trust me the last thing i do is overestimate myself... im one of those people that is extreemly hard on myself when it comes to that.

I went looking for some "jumping lessons" but wasnt able to find anything on blackjacks page and since its 5am and i havent gone to bed I am useless right now trying to locate it elsewhere. Anyone have a link to a tutorial?
 
Loun said:
I def. wont go broke since I dont play for money :) I was under the impression it was an A, B, C rating system but nope im a self proclaimed beginner that still has a ton to learn :) trust me the last thing i do is overestimate myself... im one of those people that is extreemly hard on myself when it comes to that.

I went looking for some "jumping lessons" but wasnt able to find anything on blackjacks page and since its 5am and i havent gone to bed I am useless right now trying to locate it elsewhere. Anyone have a link to a tutorial?
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what kind of cue are you using? jump cue, or playing cue? what kind of shaft if its a playing cue?
 
Vapoolplayer I was wondering if you could help me I use a stinger break/jump cue but I just canno't jump the damn cb for the life of me I find it impossible do you have any tips for me btw I am just a beginner and haven't been playing long.
 
the scorpion said:
Vapoolplayer I was wondering if you could help me I use a stinger break/jump cue but I just canno't jump the damn cb for the life of me I find it impossible do you have any tips for me btw I am just a beginner and haven't been playing long.
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Imagine a line extending straight from your cue through the cue ball. If this line crosses the point where the cue ball is resting on the table, you are trying to jump at an impossible angle. Try elevating the butt of your cue higher to correct the angle. Hope this helps :)
 
I may not play as well as some here but I think the right advice isn't being said.
You should spend the most time practicing what you will be doing the most in a game.
You can watch a race to 11 in a male pro game and never see a jump shot. You won't watch a race without kicks.
I would say out of 100+ tourneys I have played in I have jumped only a handful of time's. Yes, I can jump, but it's always a last resort.
You should learn how to jump. But crawl before you walk. Get better at kicking balls. You may think you can kick out of almost anything, but can you kick to hit a 1/4 ball? Can you control your speed and get the balls where you want? If you can do all of that then you wouldn't be here asking how to jump.

Mike
 
If tyou're still in the learning process, learn to kick well and then learn to masse well. Once you get good at both, learn to jump well. The player having all three of these abilities has an advantage.

The problem with jumping when you're just gettng started, and I see this all the time, is that it can get in the way of developing proficiency at kicks and masses by giving you a crutch to lean on every time you're blocked from an object ball.
 
the scorpion said:
Vapoolplayer I was wondering if you could help me I use a stinger break/jump cue but I just canno't jump the damn cb for the life of me I find it impossible do you have any tips for me btw I am just a beginner and haven't been playing long.
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the problem might be that that one is a knockoff. top simpson even said that one isnt real. $70 will buy you a bunjee the best jump cue IMO.
 
sjm said:
If tyou're still in the learning process, learn to kick well and then learn to masse well. Once you get good at both, learn to jump well. The player having all three of these abilities has an advantage.

The problem with jumping when you're just gettng started, and I see this all the time, is that it can get in the way of developing proficiency at kicks and masses by giving you a crutch to lean on every time you're blocked from an object ball.
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Isn't jumping almost always a better option than a masse?

Skippy
 
Loun said:
... I was under the impression it was an A, B, C rating system but nope im a self proclaimed beginner ...
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When I first starting playing seriously 5 years ago people would ask me how I played and I'd say I was a 'C' player. Now 5 years later I am much, much better and when people ask I say I'm, you guessed it, a 'C' player. I think just like everybody tends to think they're middle class whether they make 30,000 or 100,000; pool players tend to think they're 'C' players. I'd say being a 7 in the apa is probably a 'B' or better, a 6 (moi) a 'C', a 5 a 'C/D', 4 a 'D', 3 a beginner or weak 'D'. Though there are 7's that are A's, it is not neccessary to be an 'A' to reach a 7 level.

Now as to your original question ... I'm sure you could jump with a good jump cue, you're welcome to try mine sometime, but what is more important? First of all unless you can jump with your playing cue, you can't jump in the APA, so right off the bat that diminishes the value of a jump where you mostly play. As another poster said mastering kicking and masse are more important than mastering jumping. I can jump when I have to, but it is sort of out of control and I don't consider it worth mastering. If you can master all 3, great, but I wouldn't sacrifice kick and masse practice time for jumps.
Lastly, I just consider a successful kick or masse much more rewarding (poetic if you will) than a successful jump, though the jump will get the oohs and ahhs of the crowd. Kicks and masse are classical music and jazz, jumps are rock 'n roll. I guess it all comes down to which you like better.

About tearing the cloth, I think it is very unlikely, but it is likely you'll leave little marks on the cloth. The marks are cosmetic only. If that really concerns you or your fellow players at your club, get a leftover piece of cloth from somebody who recovers tables and put it under the cueball when practicing.
 
the scorpion said:
Vapoolplayer I was wondering if you could help me I use a stinger break/jump cue but I just canno't jump the damn cb for the life of me I find it impossible do you have any tips for me btw I am just a beginner and haven't been playing long.
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get your self a jacoby jump cue from on the hill cue sales very easy jump cue to learn with
 
matthew staton said:
get your self a jacoby jump cue from on the hill cue sales very easy jump cue to learn with
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Your assistance is needed here. Please respond, as you have several on the edge of their chair...
 
I've been playing for years and am not to be taken
lightly on a table and I can't jump or masse. My
old poolroom didn't allow those shots when I first
started playing. It wasn't a problem at one time
but now everybody has jump cues. I do gamble
now and then and it's starting to cost me some
money. I've been thinking about getting a jump
cue but, man, it's hard to teach an old dog new
tricks.



Loun said:
I cant for the life of me legally jump a cueball. I can scoop with the best of them (often times while trying to draw the full length of the table) and I can get the ball to jump off the table on a break :) But I can't legally jump the cue when I want to. I think I understand the concept and have looked at some tutorials on how to... I think part of my problem is that I play on a table which if I tear the felt I will be beaten to death so I think fear is keeping me from figuring it out.

My question is... If I am good at kicking... I can pretty much make a good hit on a ball no matter where it is on the table, however I often times can't pocket that ball, I can only hit it. Should I learn to jump the cue ball or just keep practicing with the kicks instead? How much risk is there to tearing the felt if done correctly? And wheres the best tutorial on it? I think im going to go in search of blackjacks page to see if its on there.

Any comments or suggestions are welcome. Thanks

-Lou
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I think you gotta have a jumpstick. People are getting so good at jumping, they're pushing out for jumps and running out from them if you give the table back.

peace
-egg

hondo said:
I've been playing for years and am not to be taken
lightly on a table and I can't jump or masse. My
old poolroom didn't allow those shots when I first
started playing. It wasn't a problem at one time
but now everybody has jump cues. I do gamble
now and then and it's starting to cost me some
money. I've been thinking about getting a jump
cue but, man, it's hard to teach an old dog new
tricks.
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matthew staton said:
get your self a jacoby jump cue from on the hill cue sales very easy jump cue to learn with
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and with that jacoby, you could jump a ball less than a chalk's width apart and draw your rock back 2 feet.......... :p

VAP
 
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