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Hooray For The Red, White, & Blue

Palmer 3rd Catalog Model 11 - Bicentennial blank with red, white and blue veneers. A limited number of these were produced in anticipation of a line of cues to celebrate the United States Bicentennial. The line never materialized but the blanks were used, by Palmer.
 

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Jay,

That is one beautiful Bicentennial Palmer cue. Outstanding collection of Palmers!!! You and Tate are the only people I have seen own one of those rare Szam pointed cues.

NICE!!!

John Marshall
 
Jay,

That is one beautiful Bicentennial Palmer cue. Outstanding collection of Palmers!!! You and Tate are the only people I have seen own one of those rare Szam pointed cues.

NICE!!!

John Marshall

Thank you John.

Coming from you, it is even more meaningful.

I love your vast collection. We share similar taste in cues.

PS There is another Bicentennial Palmer on one of the previous pages of this thread and Paul Stamatos has or had one as well.
 
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Second Catalog Model A

This is a Second Catalog Model A which was built during the time that the Third Catalog was offered. The two-tone wrap is a bit unusual for a Model A in these colors and is original to the cue.

I found it in quite soiled condition but it cleaned-up nicely thanks to Paul Drexler.
 

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"Pre-Catalog"

A peek at a few Pre-Catalog cues from 1966
 

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Early Palmers

45 in 65 -

In 1965/66 This is what ~$40 got you in Elizabeth NJ. The Model E which soon became the Model 1 had a variety of different ring configurations and I believe these two are closer to early production as opposed to later.

Aside from having different ring widths than what we normally see, these have rare ring colors. The upper cue (a Pre-Catalog Model E) has light green rings and the lower cue, (a First Catalog Model 1) lavender rings.

I purchased the green cue in a partially refinished condition. Paul Drexler just completed the refinish in lacquer and the two color nylon rewrap. The Lavender cue is original including the wrap.
 

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Palmer Third Catalog

The Third Catalog - Or - Let's Offer Something For Everyone

It can be argued that the cues in the catalogs that preceded the Third Catalog generally had a family resemblance. Yes there were the wedge and Rambow tributes 2, 4, C, & H but from a design standpoint nothing strayed too far from home.

Fast forward to the Third Catalog and it seems that Pete Balner decided that the line should not only be expanded in number but the company should have a cue for every budget and style up to and including a custom cue they had already been making for select customers, the Model 20.

The line started with simple unadorned merry widow cues in various woods, moved onto simple house cue style conversions with and without plastic rings and with and without the familiar windows, and onto some new style cues with different MOP and wood inlays including a few with forearms made by a guy in Pennsylvania by the name of Gus Szamboti. The line even included a maple into maple spliced cue with teal veneers.

It was a diverse line of cues. Palmer didn't abandon the classic designs they helped make famous but those designs were in the minority. Even with that being the case, their grandest cue, the Model 20 was still an extension of the designs that came before it and did not include any of the design elements that characterized the fresh designs of the Models 12, 13, 15, 18, & 19.

One curious throwback in the line was the Model 14, which followed the lines of the First Catalog Model 5. The model had been dropped from the Second Catalog, but reappeared in the new catalog and to this day the Models 5 and 14 are mistaken for one another.

I would be remiss if I didn't mention that for the first time in their history, one element was missing: the Titlist. For reasons unknown to me, not one of the cues in the Third Catalog was made using a Titlist blank. Possibly they were in short supply and possibly since so few of the models had veneered forearms, that they decided to concentrate on other designs.

Palmer had one foot firmly planted in the future but was not yet ready to let go of it's past.

In some ways, this was it though. Yes the future would bring the PB line, Pete Margo's PM cues, as well as the Ray Martin line, but the era of the VHS tape beckoned and Pete's attention and focus was straying.

Was the PB line what would have been a "Fourth Catalog" or would Pete have come up with something different.

All speculation............
 

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Third Catalog Model 11's - You Choose

One of the interesting cues in Palmer's Third Catalog was the Model 11. It was a simple cue that lacked adornment of any kind. The result was anything but a plain or boring cue; to the contrary, it was arguably one of the catalogs most handsome designs.

The description from the Third Catalog flyer:
"This is a nice plain, color inlaid, four prong ebony cue that offers classic styling with a stainless steel joint accented with black fiber and stainless steel collars. The bottom section is ebony with veneer rings that match the color in the prongs."

Up to this point, this was all very simple. What made the 11 intriguing is the fact that Palmer used some of the so-called Bicentennial blanks made by Gus Szamboti to build some Model 11's. This makes some 11's a bit special, and a bit more valuable. It is pure speculation on my part but I have never seen any information to suggest that Palmer charged more for those that were Szamboti-based.
 

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I love the discussion about the wraps. So much attention is so often given to the points and veneers (deserved) that other design features almost get ignored.

Often, when such a wrap has to be replaced people will just say "put green spec on it" as a knee jerk reaction. Sometimes they don't even really need replaced, just cleaned...and they get replaced with green spec anyway.

I have some old cues with very interesting wraps (no Palmer yet). IMHO They are really cool.

About the Palmers, I have a lot to learn.

I am wondering: Did Palmer ever have a multi-stage wrap combining linen and synthetic?

What made me wonder? I have an Abe Rich cue with a 3 stage wrap that is green spec Cortland in the middle with black synthetic (nylon?) on either end of the linen.

Pic of Rich cue for reference: CUE PIC LINK

I linked the pic rather that post a Rich cue pic in a Palmer thread. Some might see that as pollution. LOL! :eek::grin-square:



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I have never seen such a wrap configuration on a Palmer. (nylon/linen/nylon) nor seen reference to it in any Palmer sale sheets.

That aside, for one to successfully do such a wrap, one would need to use a larger nylon thread, equal at least to the thickness of the linen thread/line or the handle area under the nylon would have to be built-up to increase it's diameter. Another possibility to consider would be whether linen could be compressed after installation to the thickness of thinner linen is a question for a cuemaker.

A further question would be why would someone want two different wrap materials? Nylon and linen clearly feel different from one another and most would find it distracting. Some find wraps with tucked ends distracting.
 
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I have never seen such a wrap configuration on a Palmer. (nylon/linen/nylon) nor seen reference to it in any Palmer sale sheets.

That aside, for one to successfully do such a wrap, one would need to use a larger nylon thread, equal at least to the thickness of the linen thread/line or the handle area under the nylon would have to be built-up to increase it's diameter. Another possibility to consider would be whether linen could be compressed after installation to the thickness of thinner linen is a question for a cuemaker.

A further question would be why would someone want two different wrap materials? Nylon and linen clearly feel different from one another and most would find it distracting. Some find wraps with tucked ends distracting.

Thanks for the response. :smile:

Indeed, it is odd. Why would somebody want it? The only thing I can think of is the visual effect. It would be easier (and feel better IMHO) with black linen though...so I don't know.


The transition is nicely done, I think might be a thicker synthetic. The linen is pressed of course...so that helps make it more even with the synthetic.


It is unusual, and a nice cue in great condition, so I thought it a pretty cool example of this type of cue and that era of design. The wrap is like new.



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Palmer Joint Protectors

I made a few Palmer joint protectors with a clear window and foil to complement what's on the Palmer butt section.
 

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Colors

In the 1960's this was the healthier way to see colors. :-)
 

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First Catalog Cues

Palmer First Catalog Cues, Models 1 thru 11
 

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99% sure Palmer.....

70s with Szamboti forearm? Hex weight bolt.
Please let me know what y'all think...
Make, model any info appreciated.
Thank you
 

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