Well most of real sports are cultivating kids, help with local kids City sport leagues.
NFL, and MLB realize investment is return in future fan base.
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Well most of real sports are cultivating kids, help with local kids City sport leagues.
NFL, and MLB realize investment is return in future fan base.
If all Pool was governed by one group, it would help attract sponsors, etc.
Maybe that one governing body could do quarterly, or bi monthly magazine.
Half million people is nice group to advertise too.
Pretty muchSomeone tried to convince me to Join their APA League in PHX, I call the operator, got told the APA to join, weekly dues, etc.
Then I asked about cash payout at seasons end. Was told Trophies, like cash was dirty word.
Replied thank you for info. Hanging up phone.
My buddy won to go to nationals here and got 600...don't even cover the flight. APA serves up players to the casino and gets kickbacks for filling the hotel rooms.
Not saying it's bad business....it's All Business
Las Vegas I’m not a cheap vacation any longer, room, food, drink are all pricy.
Remember delivering structural steel to Sun City in the late 90’s. You cold get a great breakfast in the early am between midnight - 6am. Price was under $5.00, in good days.
Not in 2022. Friend just did trade show, he said if company was not paying bill, no way he could swing the cost.
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They didn’t tell you that you might get some patches too? You may want to reconsiderSomeone tried to convince me to Join their APA League in PHX, I call the operator, got told the APA to join, weekly dues, etc.
Then I asked about cash payout at seasons end. Was told Trophies, like cash was dirty word.
Replied thank you for info. Hanging up phone.
They didn’t tell you that you might get some patches too? You may want to reconsider
I like green stuff with president pictures, trophies, and patches are lame.
Buddy use to have a slot car shop, races every night, he gave trophies to race winners, he paid next to nothing for.
I go to garage sales, it amazes me people have old trophies no one wants to buy, wonder why?
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Im with ya. Show me the money. I never played in the APA until recently. We won the session and the team had a choice between a shirt or a trophy. The people I played with all wanted trophies so I had to get a trophy too. Cheap trophies are just dust collectors to me so I threw it away. No payout is a rip-off. Its hard to believe people would support a league like that. I won’t ever again.
Prepare to be shunned for your honesty.
for being truthful, Fook the APA, and trying to run people live for fun and profit.
Bca or house leagues are at my hall. Based on fargo for the most part. All money collected weekly is paid out to the players at my hall at end of season and final tournament. Calcutta as well.
Doubt i would play in a league that collected money and kept most of it. There is a more social league and even that pays most to players. Not all, but more than 50%. The operators dont make a living off it. While there are some high level players, it is mostly low tier. It is where i started and i enjoyed it for the social aspect and meeting people since it is popular in our pool community.
I don't gamble for money, the times i have it was a bad experience. Seen some money games go sideways as well for friends. Will play races for drinks with people i know. I will buy someone in a Calcutta at tournament. I don't play for money. Not my thing.
Everyone has a different goal when they play or participate in any sport. League offers a different route for people to play the game. I see no reason to claim someone is wrong about something that is of value to them and has no effect you. They can enjoy what like, you can enjoy what you like. There doesn't have to be a direct relationship between them.
Not directed at anyone specifically. Having conflicting opinions when the topic is about personal likes and dislikes doesn't have to turn a yelling match.
Doubt i would play in a league that collected money and kept most of it. There is a more social league and even that pays most to players. Not all, but more than 50%. The operators dont make a living off it. While there are some high level players, it is mostly low tier. It is where i started and i enjoyed it for the social aspect and meeting people since it is popular in our pool community.
I don't gamble for money, the times i have it was a bad experience. Seen some money games go sideways as well for friends. Will play races for drinks with people i know. I will buy someone in a Calcutta at tournament. I don't play for money. Not my thing.
Everyone has a different goal when they play or participate in any sport. League offers a different route for people to play the game. I see no reason to claim someone is wrong about something that is of value to them and has no effect you. They can enjoy what like, you can enjoy what you like. There doesn't have to be a direct relationship between them.
Not directed at anyone specifically. Having conflicting opinions when the topic is about personal likes and dislikes doesn't have to turn a yelling match.
Well there is old joke want license to steal, do not rob banks, go to medical school.
Or become Pool League Operator, charge good money, give out patches, and trophies.
Or become Pool League Operator, charge good money, give out patches, and trophies.
You know better? You know nothing. Especially about me.
Your experience would not be your experience in my area. Competitors can do whatever they like. I had a room just last night (yes literally LAST NIGHT) tell me they can't give us any tables on a certain night beginning next session. It's because he's running a different league. I'll tell the teams, and next session they'll change rooms or change nights or quit, but it will be their decision. I have rooms where some of my players play in two different leagues the same night. I welcome the competition, it gives my customers something to compare our product to. I have no reason to strongarm anyone into doing anything. My players are all adults who can make their own decisions, and they play in my league because they like it. I tell them not to do it if they don't enjoy it. And never once in over 25 years have I ever given anyone an ultimatum.
You like to put words in my mouth - please, point me to where I said anything about saving pool. Or better yet, read post #81 in this thread, where I explicitly said I'm not interested in "saving American pool". I don't think it needs saving, I think it's alive and kicking, and will be here in one form or another long after you and your old-timers and me and my zombies (your word) are gone. It would be interesting to see what it evolves into.
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I’m curious. Why would that be a “drain on pool“?
A 30% gross profit margin isn’t at all out of line for most businesses. How does any organization that provides the opportunity for others to participate not help that overall participation?
I’m not an APA player, but for the life of me I don’t understand the disdain that some seem to have for the league, or those who choose to play in it.
I do reserve the right to poke fun at the patches though…
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Someone tried to convince me to Join their APA League in PHX, I call the operator, got told the APA to join, weekly dues, etc.
Then I asked about cash payout at seasons end. Was told Trophies, like cash was dirty word.
Replied thank you for info. Hanging up phone.
So you think cash is a dirty word in apa ?
Do you realize they paid over a million dollars in payouts at last years nationals ?
Do you realize that for the measly sum of 7.00 a week plus 25.00 yearly membership plus 20.00 fee for a qualifying tournament for a grand total investment 409.00 per year that you could win 15.000 first place in an 8 ball tournament ?
A local apa 3 here won 7.500 for second place in 9 ball last year.
There is more to apa than patches....which you seem to be hung up on.
First i want to say i respect the fact you rebuilt a pool hall from ashes. I admire your ambition to have a place for old school pool.
However...i take issue with your misguided statements of laying the blame for the state pool is in today towards apa or their league operators.
You seem to have a bunch of bad apples in your area which has skewed your opinion of how every one else operates.
Thankfully my area is not like how you describe happens in your area.
Apa was the only national organization available in our area when i joined. Since then we had napa which lasted a year. Tap which lasted 2 sessions. Usapl which lasted 3 sessions.
The napa operator played on my apa team. The tap operator also played apa. The usapl operator also played apa.
All three failed to be successful due to lack of players and not due to inteference of rhe apa operator or any rokm owner.
This i know for a fact because i played napa and played on the apa operators team at the same time. Many people chose to play in more than one league when it was available but the fact is for whatever reason most peolle preferred to play apa.
Some players didnt like other league handicapping system. Some didnt like thrir scorekeeping system. Some didnt like various rules.
As far as coexistimg. One venue had 2 different money leagues...napa...and apa and some nights had more than one league there at the same night.
As far as rokm owners go. They run their rooms as they see fit. One place charges no green cees during league tournaments. Another opens tables and charges 20.00 per team. Another leaves tables closed and you use quarters per rack.
During regular league night the one that charges no green fees for tournaments charges 5.00 per team. When you figure 5 players play both 8 and 9 ball that night its 1.00 per player for however many racks you plyed during your match. Thats damn cheap and no ones idea but the room owner. The other close their tables for regular league and you use quarters.
The room owner that charges just 5.00 per team and no green fees for tournamemts is also the only one that has held pro tournamemts and has sponsored some pros in tournaments such as white diamonds and even farther away.
So you shouldnt judge the whole organizatiin or their operators by the crap that goes on on your area.
No problem.
Just to give me the party line that you are saving pool when it's so clearly the opposite.
It's literally how mini-golf compares to PGA. Total farce. Bunch of dudes who think they are doing something spotting some newb 5 games to 2I’m curious. Why would that be a “drain on pool“?
A 30% gross profit margin isn’t at all out of line for most businesses. How does any organization that provides the opportunity for others to participate not help that overall participation?
I’m not an APA player, but for the life of me I don’t understand the disdain that some seem to have for the league, or those who choose to play in it.
I do reserve the right to poke fun at the patches though…
They don't pay our 70 percent to players. If you ran a tournament like this, you'd be lynched.
