Sidespin on a stopshot

[enzo]

i'm strickly just curious:

how many people think when you HIT* a ball perfectly full in the face with center left english (no high or low upon impact) the ball will......

Answer in the above poll.

Thanks

*Hit is how the cueball hits the ob, just forget about aiming and deflection. the question is asking if the cueball hits an ob 100% full in the face with left what will happen to the cb.

 

[TannerPruess]

A

 

[Tennesseejoe]

If you hit a ball with center left English that ball will deflect to the right. Do you mean to say "if you hit the cue ball with center left English and the cue ball hits the object ball full"?

If that is the case the cue ball will spin clockwise and it will transfere some counter clockwise spin to the object ball. The friction between both balls will send the cue ball to the left slightly and the object to the right in approximately the same amount.

That is just my opinion.

 

[Bob Jewett]

... how many people think ...

It'll be interesting to see the results since the physical reality is pretty well known.

 

[enzo]

If you hit a ball with center left English that ball will deflect to the right. Do you mean to say "if you hit the cue ball with center left English and the cue ball hits the object ball full"?

If that is the case the cue ball will spin clockwise and it will transfere some counter clockwise spin to the object ball. The friction between both balls will send the cue ball to the left slightly and the object to the right in approximately the same amount.

That is just my opinion.

good question, to be clear..... the question asks on a "perfectly full hit."

so, i guess one way to put it, just forget about deflection and aiming and all that. what do you feel will happen when the cueball strikes an object ball perfecly full in the face with left spin and no high or low.

 

[mikepage]

It'll be interesting to see the results since the physical reality is pretty well known.

Of course some people might have an operational definition of "full hit" as a contact that leads to no sideways cueball motion. If so, then a full hit with side spin leads to no cueball sideways motion by definition...

But alas I fear it doesn't matter, because I think your post probably put the breaks on a lot of trigger fingers heading for the mouse clicker.....

mike page
fargo

Son: The Sun revolves around the Earth
Father: No son, that's wrong; the Earth revolves around the sun.
Son: It can't be wrong, Dad. It's my OPINION!

 

[Chris]

May seem like a stupid question, but how does one hit centerball with left english? Doesn't centerbal imply the CB is hit in, well, the center? To me that means no left english and no right english.

 

[enzo]

May seem like a stupid question, but how does one hit centerball with left english? Doesn't centerbal imply the CB is hit in, well, the center? To me that means no left english and no right english.

another good question (im bad at explaining things ), i just meant no high or low (center on the verticle axis) with left english (center left).

 

[Tennesseejoe]

With "left centerball" I meant left English with no high or low.

 

[Bob Jewett]

... i just meant no high or low (center on the verticle axis) with left english (center left).

I usually call this "on the equator." That isn't perfectly right since you have to hit the cue ball slightly below center to get it to arrive at the object ball without follow.

For the quibblers, there is also the problem that the cue ball will normally be curving during part of its travel. While this is happening, a "full hit" is more difficult to define. So we need to assume that the cue ball is struck with a level cue stick, which usually is impossible, and that it does not curve at all.

 

[dirtydog48]

John Binion

Watched John testing a cue by hitting the cueball with just side spin at warp 6 time after time. The cue ball was about 18-20'" from the object ball. The cue stopped dead and spun for 30 seconds or more. It did not move right or left, just spun. Pros can do this, I cannot.

 

[BRKNRUN]

Watched John testing a cue by hitting the cueball with just side spin at warp 6 time after time. The cue ball was about 18-20'" from the object ball. The cue stopped dead and spun for 30 seconds or more. It did not move right or left, just spun. Pros can do this, I cannot.

Yes you can......very easily with BHE.....I can do it ....and I am "no pro"

This is actually a process used to dial in a unfamilair cue to find the bridge length that off sets deflection....(when applying BHE)

 

[unknownpro]

i'm strickly just curious:

how many people think when you HIT* a ball perfectly full in the face with center left english (no high or low upon impact) the ball will......

Answer in the above poll.

Thanks

*Hit is how the cueball hits the ob, just forget about aiming and deflection. the question is asking if the cueball hits an ob 100% full in the face with left what will happen to the cb.

I believe you can shoot a ball straight in with side spin and stop the cueball with no movement or throw of the object ball. So does Mike Sigel. But I also think I can shoot a ball down the rail hitting the rail and ball at the same time with inside english, so what do I know?

unknownpro

 

[Subsonic2u]

Dead Center Hit

I voted stop and spin. This is PROVIDING there was a DEAD CENTER vertical hit with left english on the QB, AND the QB struck the OB DEAD CENTER. This was deminstrated in a video by Jim Byrne using a striped ball as the QB, it just sat there spinning. Pretty to watch, but it accomplishes nothing. Any hit by the QB on the OB that was not dead center would create an angle, like when u cheat a pocket on an otherwise straight in shot.
Charlie

 

[randyg]

I believe you can shoot a ball straight in with side spin and stop the cueball with no movement or throw of the object ball. So does Mike Sigel. But I also think I can shoot a ball down the rail hitting the rail and ball at the same time with inside english, so what do I know?

unknownpro

You know a lot. Good job.....SPF-randyg

 

[Cornerman]

Of course some people might have an operational definition of "full hit" as a contact that leads to no sideways cueball motion. If so, then a full hit with side spin leads to no cueball sideways motion by definition...!

I wonder if this helped or hurt the poll.

Fred

 

[Tennesseejoe]

Is there an official answer and when do we get it?

 

[enzo]

the results of the poll are interesting. exactly 18 for moving slightly left and 18 for stop and spin and 4 for neither.

keep the votes coming!

 

[Williebetmore]

how many people think when you HIT* a ball perfectly full in the face with center left english (no high or low upon impact) the ball will......

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Zo,
I think the real question is why on earth we would care?? I can see why we would be concerned about the direction/throw of the object ball or about the path of the cue ball after contact; but who really cares about whitey's spin if its stopped. Seems to me that "stopped" is about as much as I'd like to know.

 

[enzo]

Zo,
I think the real question is why on earth we would care?? I can see why we would be concerned about the direction/throw of the object ball or about the path of the cue ball after contact; but who really cares about whitey's spin if its stopped. Seems to me that "stopped" is about as much as I'd like to know.

where did "we" come from. is there a group of azers behind you and you asked them "can I speak for you guys," and they said yes? doubt it. unbeknownst to you this thread has more to do with cueball movement than you may ever be able to comprehend. you really need to be able to read and understand the threads before you come in with an arrogant post. i mean really, who do you think you are to decide what is interesting enough to warrant discussion by others, that is for them to decide? notice, there are 2 pages of replies.

in any case, if you really aren't interested, just don't open the thread anymore. if you do anything other than that it proves you just want to argue.

thanks.