Sigel vs. Jarvis...1987 Pheasant Run

BTW, Mark is still alive and kicking. IIRC he beat some type of cancer(me too, TWICE, this year) and got back to playing. I saw him in Olathe in '14 i think. Think he still lives in Chicago area. Not pos. on that.
 
Thanks for posting this, I’m really enjoying it! Jay is doing a great job calling it!
 
I sent this to Mark on FB and he was tickled shitless to get it. Said he didn't have a copy. Said he's still playing and just won a bank tourney last week in Chicago.
 
They said ,early on , that the table was heated . Sorry Rodney , I posted at the same time .
 
the stuff pre-Simonis WAS slow. like burlap slow compared to worsted.
BasementDweller said:
Wasn't slow at all. That's the point. It's the most exaggerated claim about pool's yesteryear. The rails determine the overall speed of the table moreso than the cloth. Anyway, tables (at least competition tables) have been plenty fast for as far back as the Gold Crown I.
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garczar said:
the stuff pre-Simonis WAS slow. like burlap slow compared to worsted.
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I'm sure the cloth was slower, a bit grabbier too (is that a word?), but the Gold Crown came out in the 60s and old video that's out there of matches played on those -- the tables are quite fast. Way faster than nearly everyone alludes to. I realize tourney tables aren't the same as dirty, smoke-stained, worn pool room tables, but still the speed thing has grown quite exaggerated.

Watch a few racks of the classic Clash of the Titans match from 1966 to get a feel for what I'm saying. I think a large part of the perceived speed difference comes from the way the cue ball spins off the non-worsted cloths. Even on a bar table with the thicker stuff it seems like you're always seeing the cue ball spinning around more. I personally find the grabbier cloth with lively rails to be the easiest setup for cue ball control, as it seems the most predictable.


7 minute mark....he barely hits that ball and the cue ball easily rolls all the way to the other end of the table.
 
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Had never seen Jarvis play until now, what a talent he had. His style looks similar to a young Johnny Archer. Also did not know Soren Sjogard made pool tables.
 
axejunkie said:
Had never seen Jarvis play until now, what a talent he had. His style looks similar to a young Johnny Archer. Also did not know Soren Sjogard made pool tables.
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I don't think they made them very long. Their biz is billiard tables.
 
BasementDweller said:
I'm sure the cloth was slower, a bit grabbier too (is that a word?), but the Gold Crown came out in the 60s and old video that's out there of matches played on those -- the tables are quite fast. Way faster than nearly everyone alludes to. I realize tourney tables aren't the same as dirty, smoke-stained, worn pool room tables, but still the speed thing has grown quite exaggerated.

Watch a few racks of the classic Clash of the Titans match from 1966 to get a feel for what I'm saying. I think a large part of the perceived speed difference comes from the way the cue ball spins off the non-worsted cloths. Even on a bar table with the thicker stuff it seems like you're always seeing the cue ball spinning around more. I personally find the grabbier cloth with lively rails to be the easiest setup for cue ball control, as it seems the most predictable.


7 minute mark....he barely hits that ball and the cue ball easily rolls all the way to the other end of the table.
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I always liked the old Mali/Stevens stuff 'cause i had some power. I remember when 760 came out and everyone hated it. It was too fast for 9b that's why they came out with 860. The worst thing about the old stuff was the damn pilling/furballs. Don't know how many times i got fk'd due to ball hittin one of those things.
 
axejunkie said:
Had never seen Jarvis play until now, what a talent he had. His style looks similar to a young Johnny Archer. Also did not know Soren Sjogard made pool tables.
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I was practicing for APA Masters one afternoon when I noticed the guy next to me making almost everything, including banks. We were on 9 foot Diamonds. I complimented him on his ability. He then introduced himself-Mark Jarvis. I stopped my practice just to watch him! The next time I watched “The Color of Money” I tried to pick him out. Seemed to be an all around good guy.
 
I actually sell dvd's of that match on my website. I made a deal with Metro TV in Chicago to distribute videotapes of the match, plus the women's final between Jean Balukas and Ewa Mataya. Mark was one of the top players in the Midwest for many years. Banks was probably his best game.
 
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