Simonis 860 vs 860HR for home use

RickLafayette said:
Same here. So, as I understand it, because it's the nylon that causes the burn marks, the higher the wool content, the less cause for burn marks. I've been using 860 for 6-8 years and always end up getting those awful burn marks from breaking. If I switched to 860 HR the burn marks would be worse because of the higher nylon content. Is there a cloth that has a higher wool content than the Simonis 860? I need to do some investigating before my next change.
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Not right, the normal 860 has the nylon exposed to ball burn, the 860HR has the nylon protected from burning because is not on the actual surface of the cloth exposed to ball burns as much, and because of the shearing process, the balls are rolling on nearly 100% wool, and the 30% nylon makes the 860HR a stronger cloth then the normal 860. Just look at the ball burn marks on 760 which has the same 70/30% wool/nylon as the 860HR does, the difference between those 2 weaves is even though they both have 177 threads per inch, the twine of the 860HR is thicker, but the surface is protected from ball burn, unlike the 760 which has no protection from ball burn.
 
RickLafayette said:
Same here. So, as I understand it, because it's the nylon that causes the burn marks, the higher the wool content, the less cause for burn marks. I've been using 860 for 6-8 years and always end up getting those awful burn marks from breaking. But, if I switched to 860 HR the burn marks would be worse because of the higher nylon content. Is there a cloth that has a higher wool content than the Simonis 860? I need to do some investigating before my next change.
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The Granito Corina Basalt cloth is 88/12% wool/nylon, but when it's reached its peak wearable, it falls apart almost overnight, developing cuts across the cloth from side to side in the ghost rack wearable area behind the racking area of the cloth. The ghost rack area looks like the second ball racking area behind the first rack area, it forms a pyramid rack just like the original rack, only half way between the end rail and the rack spot.
 
realkingcobra said:
Not right, the normal 860 has the nylon exposed to ball burn, the 860HR has the nylon protected from burning because is not on the actual surface of the cloth exposed to ball burns as much, and because of the shearing process, the balls are rolling on nearly 100% wool, and the 30% nylon makes the 860HR a stronger cloth then the normal 860. Just look at the ball burn marks on 760 which has the same 70/30% wool/nylon as the 860HR does, the difference between those 2 weaves is even though they both have 177 threads per inch, the twine of the 860HR is thicker, but the surface is protected from ball burn, unlike the 760 which has no protection from ball burn.
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Got it! Thanks!
 
realkingcobra said:
Of what, everything? Diesel where I'm at is between $5.15- $6.20 a gallon!
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Sorry to get off subject here. I do have a new 9’ Apple Green that is not my favorite color but it’s looking better. It’s paid for. With tax/shipping the 9’s are close to $450
 
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I had three sets of 860HR on hand, all in TB, 9', that I sold for cost but acquired 12-18 months ago, no problem.
 
I have a light maple colored table, and currently have this cloth on it in the color Titanium, which looks great.

https://www.pooldawg.com/championship-invitational-pool-table-cloth

However, after playing on a bunch of Diamond tables recently locally (which I think mostly have Simonis 760 on them), I want a faster cloth (than the Championship Invitational) on my table at home. It seems that 860 HR (fast and durable) would fit the bill, but it is available only in 2 colors? Tournament Green, and Tournament Blue. Between the two, I like the Tournament Blue more, but I wish there were the same color options as that of 760 and 860.

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That size table, go with the 860, you can get whatever color you like. I had grey and loved it. I went up to a 9' table and moved to a more humid environment so went with 860HR in blue for it. Great table. I, like you, wish more color options were available, I miss the grey.
 
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tg_vegas said:
That size table, go with the 860, you can get whatever color you like. I had grey and loved it. I went up to a 9' table and moved to a more humid environment so went with 860HR in blue for it. Great table. I, like you, wish more color options were available, I miss the grey.
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The HR costs more to produce, that's why it's limited in its available colors.
 
realkingcobra said:
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The HR costs more to produce, that's why it's limited in its available colors.
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Given my background, I have to assume that the costs to produce are primarily associated with the manufacturing process of the fabric itself, not the dye color. I am 100% willing to admit that I may be wrong about this, but I suspect that I am not, thus happy to be proven wrong.
 
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