Simple Safe???

[cuetechasaurus]

You know, I had a feeling this was the shot you were going to diagram. The reason being, the NYC girls have this safety down pat. They work on it in droves and they can do it on both sides of the 9 and still leave you screwed. When I try to do it, I leave them with a shot.

I think sjm taught them this safety.

What they do is so totally thin either side of the 9-ball. Don't ask them how, they just do it. And it moves the 9 about 2-3 inches and the cue ball back at the opposite rail at about a complete opposite of the 9.

I'm going to learn this safety if it kills me!

Barbara

If the balls are closer than that's a way to shoot it. At that distance nobody can execute it with consistency. The pros never shoot that shot because they know they are liable to miss the ball entirely.

 

[Barbara]

If the balls are closer than that's a way to shoot it. At that distance nobody can execute it with consistency. The pros never shoot that shot because they know they are liable to miss the ball entirely.

Dude!! Where have you been?! Your thread disappeared and I'm still not able to give you bad rep. I think the Mods are out for all of us!!

Anyway, I basically have to disagree with you. Steve Lipsky, back me up here. His wife is the biggest user of this safety shot. Then there's Caroline Pao who can do this in a heartbeat. I want to know who they learned this from. And it is doable, as I can cut thin shots near the rail. I just get mental when trying to perform this safety and hit the 9 too thick.

Nostroke, give it up, where did they learn this shot?

Barbara

 

[sjm]

You know, I had a feeling this was the shot you were going to diagram. The reason being, the NYC girls have this safety down pat. They work on it in droves and they can do it on both sides of the 9 and still leave you screwed. When I try to do it, I leave them with a shot.

I think sjm taught them this safety.

What they do is so totally thin either side of the 9-ball. Don't ask them how, they just do it. And it moves the 9 about 2-3 inches and the cue ball back at the opposite rail at about a complete opposite of the 9.

I'm going to learn this safety if it kills me!

Barbara

Barbara, I know you are trying to be generous here, and thank you for it, but one of the most basic strategic principles I've taught the ladies I've worked with is to look for the two way shot before looking for the safety, especially in the end game. The bank played at the right speed, though offering only passive defense, qualifies as two way in my book, and I'd be disappointed if any of my students passed it up.

I agree that a player that doesn't have the speed control to play the bank two ways might have to consider playing safe here, but my advice to each and every one of them would be to practice the shot until they have the speed control required.

To be honest, if forced to play safe here, I probably would thin the edge, knowing that I'll sell out probably three times out of ten, but also knowing that there's a big upside for executing the safe. From long distrance, this safe is really tough to execute. But, having said that, I'd never play safe here!

 

[TheOne]

With anything but perfect speed, this safe will usually concede a two way bank in either the side or the corner.

If you leave the bank in the corner, the cue ball can be played to the other end of the table as the bank is attempted and the right speed will usually leave opponent supertough oif you miss. Leave the bank in the side and the cue ball can be brought to the top rail as the bank is attempted, leaving a long shot into the corner bridiging off the rail if the speed is played even passably.

This safe is extremely passive, and won't beat any decent player very often. Safeties that concede two way shots are to be avoided.

Just one man's opinion.

Hi SJM, I dont disagree with you but its amazing how often I see this choice of shot come up on TV with world class players, it is very passive but sometimes the situation seems to influence a players decission. They often choose to make their opponent "win it" as opposed to going for it themselves and potentially selling out.

 

[cheesemouse]

go out in flames...

I think this shot as shown is one of those chioces where the safety and the make are so close % wise that I go for the bank out nearly ever time. How the table is playing could enter into the choice. I try to consider this question when faced with these types of shots...Would I roll out to this shot and would I want my opponent to take it or give it back? Right or wrong if I have one of these close % shots and it is for the win I'm going for it just because I would be sick to my stomach if a hit a bad safety and dumped. Go for the win and roll the dice on the leave if you miss, atleast you'll sleep that night.

 

[Black-Balled]

Go for the win and roll the dice on the leave if you miss, atleast you'll sleep that night.

I agree with the 'go for the win' part, but refuse to 'roll the dice on the leave'. Bank the 9 and hit it with speed to leave white ball on siderail, missed 9b on opposite side RAIL, close to side pocket. Just like I WEI'd and SJM pictured. Beauty, eh?

 

[cheesemouse]

I agree with the 'go for the win' part, but refuse to 'roll the dice on the leave'. Bank the 9 and hit it with speed to leave white ball on siderail, missed 9b on opposite side RAIL, close to side pocket. Just like I WEI'd and SJM pictured. Beauty, eh?

I should have included your wise advise, of course, I would hit the shot with good or best speed for the conditions at hand.

 

[Black-Balled]

I should have included your wise advise, of course, I would hit the shot with good or best speed for the conditions at hand.

Right-o...thought you were just gonna close your eyes and go for it...

 

[TheOne]

I think I go two rails and sink the 9 just like Efren did in Reno, what have you all been thinking?!