thanks rattaThe brain creates *this picture" bbb-- so if you want to really try to attack such a problem, it is a "re-programming"- fact. But noone can promise you, how fast or how long this will last.
I had students who were able to immediatley adjust (were i really was amazed and positivley shocked) on the other side had a really expirienced player (very strong- national champ etc)...and he gave up after about 3-4 months.
it is tough for sure. also a fact from expirience
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Thanks, Ratta! I only have my own experience to go by as I'm not an instructor. What you say is interesting. Have you seen my laser set up? I only used it after I had straightened everything out but it was helpful in testing out the straightness of different ideas (ie, ways of holding or drawing back the cue and so on). I wonder if that might have helped some of the students ingrain a straight stroke.Excellent Post Dan-
That is what it s all about- have had several extremly strong players who had *this problem*-
And it works as you have shown up- but it takes time- made some relative "fast fixes" with players- and some went crazy- so you can never say, how long it takes to fix such a problem. It can be a pain in the ass. Nowadays, if a student comes, to fix an issue like this I always explain them, that it will be no walk in the park- and that it can be a pain in the ass over weeks/months. And that they will play like shit for a longer time
Again- very well thought stuff you came up with Dan-
It begs the question of why people (most?) naturally adopt a stroke that is not on a straight line when they learn to play. In my case, the butt of the cue was too far away from my body (maybe 1/4") but when I transitioned from back to forward I would pull the cue in to the proper line so the shot would go in. Interesting how the brain makes things go.
I believe that positive reinforcement is a powerful factor in this. When you do everything right there is a certain solid feel, a cleanness of the shot and certain stillness of movement in the cue ball that is addictive. You want to do it again and again.The brain creates *this picture" bbb-- so if you want to really try to attack such a problem, it is a "re-programming"- fact. But noone can promise you, how fast or how long this will last.
I had students who were able to immediatley adjust (were i really was amazed and positivley shocked) on the other side had a really expirienced player (very strong- national champ etc)...and he gave up after about 3-4 months.
it is tough for sure. also a fact from expirience
Here you gave yourself the answer matey
Your last words are the key--- by doing something.....and just "being result/success orientated", you adopt "such things". Ball goes down....so i ll go on with it...the same ways as i did it before. That s it. And in most cases you ll somewhen reach your limit- because finally the "limitated technical abilities" limitate the player to make the next step. No rocket science at all-
And yes.....some players ( just a few percentage) can reach a very high level- because they found somehow a way to progress also with a crooked stroke.
I remember extremley well, when I saw Bustamente in teh early 90 s, when he just appeared here in germany- i stood directly behind him and thougth.....what the hell is that???? --- then i stood right in front of him in that match.....and saw how he was ligning up-- again: What the fuck is that?
And i think i don t have to say, how strong that guy was, lol. he teared a super strong german player down--- giving him no chance, after his horsestake gave *him the sign to close the set"....--
so this is an example what counts: to be able to move whitey from A to B
how? well, usually no matter how. but I dont like such discussions. if you learn it the right way right from beginning it makes things easier- MUCH easier!But these few exceptions are always there
And our brain makes it happen.....due thousands and ten thousands of repetions. try and error, if you do it on your own.
I think what I'm really asking is why people are not able to get down on the shot line and have the cue aligned straight with the two balls. I think it is because when you get down on a shot you can see the balls and just the front part of the shaft. You can't see most of the cue so you can't be sure it is straight. In addition, because of body orientation, you might feel like your back hand is in a comfortable position on the shot line, but it really isn't. From there you just do what you have to do to make the shot, as you said.Here you gave yourself the answer matey
Your last words are the key--- by doing something.....and just "being result/success orientated", you adopt "such things". Ball goes down....so i ll go on with it...the same ways as i did it before. That s it. And in most cases you ll somewhen reach your limit- because finally the "limitated technical abilities" limitate the player to make the next step. No rocket science at all-
HAMB... who knewHere you gave yourself the answer matey
Your last words are the key--- by doing something.....and just "being result/success orientated", you adopt "such things". Ball goes down....so i ll go on with it...the same ways as i did it before. That s it. And in most cases you ll somewhen reach your limit- because finally the "limitated technical abilities" limitate the player to make the next step. No rocket science at all-
And yes.....some players ( just a few percentage) can reach a very high level- because they found somehow a way to progress also with a crooked stroke.
I remember extremley well, when I saw Bustamente in teh early 90 s, when he just appeared here in germany- i stood directly behind him and thougth.....what the hell is that???? --- then i stood right in front of him in that match.....and saw how he was ligning up-- again: What the fuck is that?
And i think i don t have to say, how strong that guy was, lol. he teared a super strong german player down--- giving him no chance, after his horsestake gave *him the sign to close the set"....--
so this is an example what counts: to be able to move whitey from A to B
But these few exceptions are always there
And our brain makes it happen.....due thousands and ten thousands of repetions. try and error, if you do it on your own.
Well- i see it that way. Let s say, "Dan" practicing a shot- and it works exactly as he visualized ( aka ball in the pocket, lol).
"So why should he work on something."
Just one typical example- I can show up with for example with exactly 8 students out of 31. These 8 people have this one extremley overlooked "parallax error" ( aka not being able to hit/see center cueball/vertical axis.
Depending on which side they are "off-line" (left or right of the vertical axis) they ALL compensated it by "twisting" the cue on the forward motion to finally get this *result" they expect and want. Furthermore: because of this *mis-alignment" they ALL weren t able to pull the cue back in a straight line- and depending on being left or right from the vertical axis, they pull the back with a left or right curve ( "around the hip", or away from the body"). .....and then they compensate it on their final forward stroke.
And if "they" have a result (let s say a stop shot)- and they *get" a potted ball with stopshot.....they will NOT change anything.
As you said....the brain is amazing-- but if you don t know, that you re off.....and practiced such stuff for years or even decades.....you need to re-program....and this has sometimes (i would say extremley often, lol) something of sado-maso
It s brutal.
hope i was able to describe it- if not- just shoot me a message- or just here. just not online here that much anymore.
Ingo