Simplified kicking systems, where are they?!?!

I'm right there with the Original Poster... When someone starts trying to explain kicking systems to me using mathematics, I might as well be listening to Charlie Browns teacher.


I think I killed that part of my brain in college.
 
Skratch said:
Its nice to have these systems available as "guidelines." Adjustments should be made for table conditions. You'll definitely come across dead/lively rails that will skew the system. Additionally, keep in mind that these systems require consistent cue striking. Too much/little speed/spin will also affect the system.
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Excellent points. FYI to those interested, the following articles describe how and when to make adjustments for speed and spin when using the Plus System and the Corner 5 System:

"VEPS GEMS - Part IX: Plus System Adjustments" (September, 2010).
"VEPS GEMS - Part XIII: Corner-5 System Adjustments" (January, 2011).

Enjoy,
Dave
 
gdc25 said:
I'm right there with the Original Poster... When someone starts trying to explain kicking systems to me using mathematics, I might as well be listening to Charlie Browns teacher.
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For people who don't like numbers at all (e.g., diamond numbers, 2-to-1 tracks, system formulas), I recommend the visual kicking systems described and demonstrated here:

NV D.13 - Kick Shot Aiming Systems - from Vol-III of the Billiard University instructional DVD series

Good luck,
Dave
 
hang-the-9 said:
I also use the "mirror" system at times when I'm trying to get a full hit on a ball and it's a simple one-rail shot with no need to spin the cueball off a rail.
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I had to pack in the mirror system.......
....shooting an 01-ball is confusing.:confused:
 
pt109 said:
There is no simplified kick system that works.
Different tables, cloth, humidity, temperature, speed.....etc...
...makes the ball go different places.

Practice kicking....there's no way around it.

This aint ePool
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I completely agree here. Any kind of system is only going to give you a slight idea of what is going to happen, but it's the "feel" of the shot that will determine your success or failure.
There are lot of kicking systems out there for kicking, my advice is pick ONE system and work on it. Don't try to learn every "system", that will only confuse you. And once feel comfortable with it play more pool, try more kick shots to get a feel for how the balls react.
Every shot that comes in pool always have 3 parts to it which involves "seeing", "feeling" and "executing". Systems usually teach you the "seeing" part, where you see that a kick is 2 or 3 rails andplaying more pool is going to teach you the last two.
 
prad said:
I completely agree here. Any kind of system is only going to give you a slight idea of what is going to happen, but it's the "feel" of the shot that will determine your success or failure.
There are lot of kicking systems out there for kicking, my advice is pick ONE system and work on it. Don't try to learn every "system", that will only confuse you. And once feel comfortable with it play more pool, try more kick shots to get a feel for how the balls react.
Every shot that comes in pool always have 3 parts to it which involves "seeing", "feeling" and "executing". Systems usually teach you the "seeing" part, where you see that a kick is 2 or 3 rails andplaying more pool is going to teach you the last two.
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I like this post.....I tend to be too abrupt about systems and forget that they can be an
excellent introduction for ones who need to learn.
I think I'll refer some people to the 'visual' one that the Good Doctor' recommends.

But like training wheels, at some point you have to move on.
The standard 3 in the corner on a Gold Crown comes short on a Diamond.....
...and I found that on a Kim Steel or a Robertson, especially when humid, the third rail
hit spot is right where the side pocket is.
 
I came across a relevant quote from Nick Varner in The Eight Ball Bible by R Givens.

The systems I've tried are amazing. It's surprising how accurate they are when you adapt them to the pool table. Naturally, you seldom get a shot where you just figure a point and it comes around and makes a ball, but it puts you in the right neck of the woods.

When you go from table to table or from cloth to cloth that has a big effect on the angles the balls come off the rails. The humidity too -- are you playing in a room that's packed with a thousand people or in a room with fifty people.

All of that affects the angles a ball comes off the rails, but it's amazing how well you can adjust.

Using systems is better than guessing from day to day.
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pt109 said:
I like this post.....I tend to be too abrupt about systems and forget that they can be an
excellent introduction for ones who need to learn.
I think I'll refer some people to the 'visual' one that the Good Doctor' recommends.
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I'm glad to hear it. I think the visual method of aiming kicks is the easiest method to use, and it is quite effective if done carefully.

pt109 said:
But like training wheels, at some point you have to move on.
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Agreed. After enough practice and successful experience, one can create enough intuition and feel to kick and bank without systems. However, sometimes the systems can still be useful to fall back on, especially when a particular shot doesn't look quite right or if your confidence is low.

pt109 said:
The standard 3 in the corner on a Gold Crown comes short on a Diamond.....
...and I found that on a Kim Steel or a Robertson, especially when humid, the third rail
hit spot is right where the side pocket is.
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To use the Corner 5 System or the Plus System, one must first calibrate to the table conditions. Tom Ross and I explain and demonstrate how to do this in our videos. For more info, click on the links in the previous sentence.

Regards,
Dave
 
krupa said:
I don't think these are overly complicated and they have nice diagrams:

http://www.poolstudent.com/2009/09/09/one-rail-kicking-systems-1/
http://www.poolstudent.com/2009/09/16/one-rail-kicking-systems-2/
http://www.poolstudent.com/2010/03/07/two-rail-kicking-systems-scott-rohleder/

He presents a few different systems. I choose one that I was comfortable thinking about and practiced it.
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Thanks for the link, appreciate it.

FYI, my new website is at http://mypoolblog.com. Links to these systems and more can be found there, as well as other instructional articles.

I tried to explain all the major systems out there, that way you can pick and choose which one(s) to work with, they all return the same theoretical point but work a little differently to get there. Simplest is usually best, and they should be used as guidelines as tables play differently and adjustments must be made. Practice and experience is the best teacher for this.

Scott
 
I have been doing the parallel shift for 1 and 2 rail shots for years. Once you learn it you can just look at the shot without using a cue and make a hit on bar boxes. After I warm up, I always practice the 2 rail kicks to figure out how I need to address the CB.
 
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