Simply memorizing raw angles

[nrhoades]

***I'm risking harassment for starting a thread without first searching to see if it's been covered before, but I'm feeling lazy right now***

Firstly, I'm confident that anybody can make any aiming system work. It's physiological and psychological adaptation.

Secondly, I've tried dozens of aiming systems in my search for what feels the most comfortable.

In the end, I simply ended up memorizing what nine different angles look like, roughly 7deg, 15ish, 22ish, 30ish, 38ish, 45ish, 60ish, 75ish. And I memorized nine places to aim the cue ball to make these angles happen. I learned to ignore the optical illusions that the rails play on me sometimes, and simply now walk up to the shot, say a number, fire it, and it usually goes in.

OK, big whoop. So I've made progress. But the unique thing is that I could practice memorizing the nine angles WITHOUT actually playing pool. Once during a boring work day, at lunchtime I made about 100 flash cards and drew random angles from 0 to 90 degrees, and then categorized them out loud into which of the nine angles it is closest to. I swear to god it actually helped.

And before I did this I was convinced that any tangible progress must come from pool table practice.

I was wondering if anybody else tried something like this...?

 

[theUBC]

SEE angles

When using the SEE-SYSTEM I need to know 6 categories of angles for balls with angles between 0° and 70°.
This helps to pocket the balls and to know the natural cue ball path after bouncing of the first rail when the balls are close to the rail.

In this first post you SEE angles measured from the corner pocket and the middle of the table. In the second post I show you how you can easily SEE in which angles the balls are laying in.

EKKES:thumbup:

 

[theUBC]

SEE angles 2

Here you SEE how to know the angle of a shot if you don't have an aiming calculator in your pocket by accident:wink:
EKKES:thumbup:

 

[broken]

Assuming that you know the angles, does that mean you address the cue ball a different way and tend to come down "right" with only a few minor adjustments?

I'm trying to figure out the value of this.

Cause I can look at most shots and guesstimate what angle it is. But a spot shot is still a spot shot to me.

*hopes and pokes*

 

[LAMas]

To achieve the paper geometry angles, you need to overcome CIT.

 

[The Renfro]

To achieve the paper geometry angles, you need to overcome CIT.

That is definitely the crux of the issue. Ekkes spells out the aim changes in the SEE system but I am currently working thru the base angles.. There is a nice cheater sheet for cit and english that I will start using as soon as the 6 base are natural in setup...

 

[theUBC]

Angles

Thats exactly what the SEE-SYSTEM does! With the SeeSystem you overcoe throw. You know the category of angle and when CIT OR SIT occurs you jump up one or two categories... It is just as simple as it sounds!
Www.infinite-billiards.com/see
Ekkes

 

[LAMas]

That is definitely the crux of the issue. Ekkes spells out the aim changes in the SEE system but I am currently working thru the base angles.. There is a nice cheater sheet for cit and english that I will start using as soon as the 6 base are natural in setup...

Dr. Dave demonstrates how CIT can alter the angle away from the pure paper angle geometry.

http://billiards.colostate.edu/threads/throw.html#answers

I think that there might/should be an overhead diagram for various angles and how stun or english alters the path and to what degree as the OB moves down the table.

 

[nrhoades]

My mind subconsciously adjusts for swerve, squirt, and CIT without it being a conscious effort. This is where the table time helps. The memorized angles just serve as mental grid paper.

 

[Masayoshi]

This is essentially what fractional aiming systems are, and many players use them. Using flash cards to study outside of the pool hall seems like a helpful idea.

 

[Not Dead Ted]

***I'm risking harassment for starting a thread without first searching to see if it's been covered before, but I'm feeling lazy right now***

Firstly, I'm confident that anybody can make any aiming system work. It's physiological and psychological adaptation.

Secondly, I've tried dozens of aiming systems in my search for what feels the most comfortable.

In the end, I simply ended up memorizing what nine different angles look like, roughly 7deg, 15ish, 22ish, 30ish, 38ish, 45ish, 60ish, 75ish. And I memorized nine places to aim the cue ball to make these angles happen. I learned to ignore the optical illusions that the rails play on me sometimes, and simply now walk up to the shot, say a number, fire it, and it usually goes in.

OK, big whoop. So I've made progress. But the unique thing is that I could practice memorizing the nine angles WITHOUT actually playing pool. Once during a boring work day, at lunchtime I made about 100 flash cards and drew random angles from 0 to 90 degrees, and then categorized them out loud into which of the nine angles it is closest to. I swear to god it actually helped.

And before I did this I was convinced that any tangible progress must come from pool table practice.

I was wondering if anybody else tried something like this...?

In the past, angle estimation has been covered pretty thoroughly. Under my former user name "Dead Crab" I described a method for angle estimation using the stick that is pretty accurate and easy to use. If you are motivated, you can find these threads.

I used this mechanical method for a few years, and I must say that I seldom missed shots because of aim (there are many other ways to miss). But what I failed to achieve is any feel for the game. Personally, I think you are better off learning to play with less emphasis on mechanics, and more on enjoying and getting into the flow of the game.

Just my opinion.

 

[genomachino]

Alot of angles.........

***I'm risking harassment for starting a thread without first searching to see if it's been covered before, but I'm feeling lazy right now***

Firstly, I'm confident that anybody can make any aiming system work. It's physiological and psychological adaptation.

Secondly, I've tried dozens of aiming systems in my search for what feels the most comfortable.

In the end, I simply ended up memorizing what nine different angles look like, roughly 7deg, 15ish, 22ish, 30ish, 38ish, 45ish, 60ish, 75ish. And I memorized nine places to aim the cue ball to make these angles happen. I learned to ignore the optical illusions that the rails play on me sometimes, and simply now walk up to the shot, say a number, fire it, and it usually goes in.

OK, big whoop. So I've made progress. But the unique thing is that I could practice memorizing the nine angles WITHOUT actually playing pool. Once during a boring work day, at lunchtime I made about 100 flash cards and drew random angles from 0 to 90 degrees, and then categorized them out loud into which of the nine angles it is closest to. I swear to god it actually helped.

And before I did this I was convinced that any tangible progress must come from pool table practice.

I was wondering if anybody else tried something like this...?

Hi there,

I teach players how to measure the shot with a quick measurement using the cue stick. It's so simple and you can learn it in about 10 minutes. Once a person learns how to do it they just start memorizing what an 1/8 1/4 1/3 and 1/2 from seeing it over and over knowing that that is what it is. This gets you close enough. Now the fine tuning is all about feel and learning to get the eyes in the correct position to actually see what you are aiming at correctly.

This will get you close and will help any player alot but if you don't know how to align the eyes perfectly you will think you are seeing that amount of the ball but still miss and wonder why.

In fact anyone can call me and have a shot set up on their table. I will tell them how to measure it over the phone. Then I will tell them almost exactly how much of that ball they need to hit.

Anyone can do it and it's very simple. Most important on the blind shots.

715-563-8712 Just give me a call and I'll show you how to do it.

Good Thread. geno..............