Six ball run out - criticism wanted

Good advice. Now that I’m concentrating on the shot I definitely decelerate. And change the angle of my cue. It’s helped just to keep looking at the cue ball.
I think I’m following through but my follow-through is so short, and I believe this is just a matter of my physiology. If I hit the cue ball when my forearm is exactly perpendicular to my cue stick, if I follow all the way through to where my hand stops at my upper chest/arm pit area, it’s only a couple of inches.
Of course this is when I’m trying my hardest to follow through perfectly. I have to go back and watch the video to see if I actually did it.
 
Leigh said:
Merry Christmas to me! Thank you for everyone’s time and input. I’m now working on speed drills and progressive draw shots.
For some reason what Fran said about making my weakness a strength really hit home. Instead of being reticent to practice those weaknesses to make them passable, I’m aiming for perfect.
Also, practicing a peed is a lot trickier than I thought it was going to be.

I took it to heart about what sparkle 84 said about me being tense. I think I am. It was actually surprising for me to watch this recording back and see how completely serious and methodical I am when on the inside I’m just so happy that I’m playing. But it doesn’t show. I need to loosen up and let my stroke out and feel more at ease. Thanks again.
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It's all about feel. You have to develop a feel for different types of shots. Constantly striking the CB within very rigid parameters
won't get it done. If you try something enough times and in different ways (harder/softer, higher/lower, little left/right, etc) usually at some point there'll be an aha moment. "That's" how it's supposed to "feel" to execute that particular shot and position.
You might not be able to repeat it right away but you now know how it's supposed to feel, something you weren't cognizant of
previously. As you do it more and more you'll hit the right combination more and more until eventually you'll be able to do it on
demand.
Right now you're playing in black and white with one speaker. It's time to crank up a new Ultra Hd with surround sound and vibrant colors.
The process I described above is how a lot of beginning players learn how to draw. Course it's better to have knowledge of what
to do but you still have to put in the time and experiment.
It might seem daunting but it's really not. There's a million shots but you only need to get a feel for 1/2 a dozen or so. There are variations, extensions and subtle adjustments on each type of shot but those come fairly quickly once you get the basic shot
down pat.
One big realization you'll come to at some point in your progression is the huge role that speed plays in this game. I'm not talking
about hitting the ball too hard/soft and missing your position as you did from the 4 to 5. It's the way in which speed, direction and
angles are related. Speed is often used to generate angles and direction that aren't possible otherwise. Once someone grasps this concept and is able to control it to their advantage they've become a Player. Don't worry about it right now, if you continue it will come to you with time.
I don't really know any drills with the exception of the Brainwash which I always recommend. It's a little advanced for you at the
moment but you could try it.
May find it maddening and for sure it will hammer home the fact that your CB control needs work.
If I made just one suggestion to you it would be to practice relatively easy shots where you send the CB from one end of the table
to the other. Not so much thin cuts where you go one rail but shots where you're hitting 1/2-3/4 of the object ball and going
either 1,2 or 3 rails to the other end. This will force you to stroke rather than poke and I think will reap benefits in all aspects of
your game.
Maybe PJ could make up some diagrams for that, I don't no how to do it.
 
sparkle84
do you mean something do you mean something like this for leigh?
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goettlicher said:
Very impressive! I know you are trying to learn and I would like to help also.
Please email at:
goettlicher@verizon.net

There are three things you must improve. Let's talk.

randyg
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Why Randy? Why can't we talk about it here? This is an open discussion that may help others who are reading it as well but you want to turn it private. Others do the same as you. Matt is a big culprit of this too. Once you turn it private, it's all over. Here are the possible reasons for taking it private: 1) Soliciting a player for lessons. 2.) Acting like one knows better than the rest and is offering "the truth" privately. The old - listen to me and not the others because I know best, routine. This kind of nonsense royally pisses me off.
 
Yes, those and others. On the top diagram moving the 1 a ball width off the rail and going forward 2 rails toward the middle of the long rail to the right of the shooter and then extend it to drop down to the short rail. Yours is good but what I outlined requires more
of a stroke. Both need to be practiced.
Also on the top diagram move the 1 to a diamond off both rails. Many paths are available both to the opposite end and also around
the table back to your starting point. I guess at some point I'll have to figure out how to do diagrams. It'll save a lot of typing which
I suck at.
To Leigh re: follow thru. There's a number of things you can try. Your tip is already very close to the CB which is good.
The next 2 things may bring the SPF guys out screaming, but..... dropping your elbow (as long as it's after the CB is gone) isn't the
end of the world and would help generate more follow thru and power. Many top pros do it with no problems
Perpendicular at impact is the rule of thumb but it doesn't have to be written in stone. Slightly back works for many people.
Another thing would be wrist flexibility. Spend some time watching videos of Alex P. Concentrate on his right hand, length and speed
of backstroke and then final stroke and follow thru. Might be educational.
 
sparkle84
please check you private messages ie "conversations"
you can find it on the upper right of the screen
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FranCrimi said:
Why Randy? Why can't we talk about it here? This is an open discussion that may help others who are reading it as well but you want to turn it private. Others do the same as you. Matt is a big culprit of this too. Once you turn it private, it's all over. Here are the possible reasons for taking it private: 1) Soliciting a player for lessons. 2.) Acting like one knows better than the rest and is offering "the truth" privately. The old - listen to me and not the others because I know best, routine. This kind of nonsense royally pisses me off.
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i agree 100% with you on this fran
Randy
why private
we are having an open discussion
i understand you want to generate business for you as thats how you earn a living
but you could of just sent her a pm
since you didnt
WHAT ARE THE 3 THINGS SHE NEEDS TO KNOW??
curious minds want to know
Thanks in advance😃
 
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Hey Leigh.
I'm not an instructor but may have some advise for you to consider.
1. The cue ball weighs just under 6oz. Your cue (just guessing) weighs 19oz.
Thats 3 times the weight of the cue ball. Force is not required to draw the
cue ball only the speed of the cue is needed.
2. One possible reason your jumping the cue ball when trying to draw it is you
are grabbing the cue at impact with the cue ball which is forcing the tip of the cue to go
down toward the cloth.

Try this a few times: hold the cue with just the tip of your thumb and tip of your index
finger. Get down into the shooting position on a shot and draw the cue ball. You will quickly
realize that if you just let the weight of the cue do its job you will have more fun.

One other thing, in closing, about position play that may help you. Pick a place on the table where you would like the cue ball to end up.........put a piece of chalk there, take your shot and try to hit the chalk with the cue ball. It's a lot more fun to try to hit the chalk. For position of the cue ball the center of the table is always your friend.

Have fun and Happy Holidays

John
 
I like how you check the shot line before you come down on the shot. I think pros who can do it all should incorporate some form of this instead of rotating into position. I bet they'd make less errors.
Couple more cents:
When you need to follow from across the table, you don't need to hit so high. Center ball will do. As long as the ball is hooked up, you'll get follow. This applies to closer shots as well when you only need to move short distances.
The stroke for draw is identical to the stroke for follow. (give or take)
 
Here is the plan:
I am going to work on everything you guys said for the next month. Drill drill drill (I can’t go to the pool hall anyway and the only one at home that wants to play is my dog) and then I will repost an attempted runout and see if I can incorporate these changes.
thanks for taking the time. I’ll try not to be so slow next time.
 
Well, now, lets see........Did we ever get the three things that Leigh is supposed to work on? I wonder if Leigh got them? I guess if Randy didnt want to share them perhaps Leigh might let us know what they were.

After all, we here on AZB are one big, happy family. Well, no, actually its obvious we arent.

r/DCP
 
FranCrimi said:
Why Randy? Why can't we talk about it here? This is an open discussion that may help others who are reading it as well but you want to turn it private. Others do the same as you. Matt is a big culprit of this too. Once you turn it private, it's all over. Here are the possible reasons for taking it private: 1) Soliciting a player for lessons. 2.) Acting like one knows better than the rest and is offering "the truth" privately. The old - listen to me and not the others because I know best, routine. This kind of nonsense royally pisses me off.
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Why Fran? Wrong side of the bed?
 
Now kids.........:)

The main thing here is that Leigh gets help. If Randy chooses to privately help her that's his choice. And if Leigh feels like he helped her and wants to share those three things or perhaps not share them - that is her choice.

r/DCP
 
Raises hand... I know the three key things Leigh MUST do:

1. Set
2. Pause
3. Finish.

Am I right? :)
 
There is nothing wrong with your game but confidence, hell of a bank with the crutch . Keep playing on that table bang some shots in hard put some in soft learn that fast table and it looks fast but you keep practicing try shots low English high English side . Just set a ball up hit it 7 differant ways , you will get draw just keep practicing at it. Cue ball speed is important practice banks and 120 diamond system. Nice book shelf
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
Now kids.........:)

The main thing here is that Leigh gets help. If Randy chooses to privately help her that's his choice. And if Leigh feels like he helped her and wants to share those three things or perhaps not share them - that is her choice.

r/DCP
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First of all, don't talk down to me. I'm not a kid. Second of all, Randy knows exactly what I'm saying. This section was used by teachers to sell lessons and it made the rest of us with good intentions look bad to the public. If you don't believe it, go back a couple of years and see what a mess this section was and how badly players spoke of us because of that. We looked like a bunch of money mongers peddling snake oil. I started calling out people for doing that and thankfully, it's not as bad as it once was. I'm saying it's wrong to use this site to peddle lessons.
 
FranCrimi said:
First of all, don't talk down to me. I'm not a kid. Second of all, Randy knows exactly what I'm saying. This section was used by teachers to sell lessons and it made the rest of us with good intentions look bad to the public. If you don't believe it, go back a couple of years and see what a mess this section was and how badly players spoke of us because of that. We looked like a bunch of money mongers peddling snake oil. I started calling out people for doing that and thankfully, it's not as bad as it once was. I'm saying it's wrong to use this site to peddle lessons.
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i agree with you fran
i understand that professional instructors who teach pool as their main source of income need to generate business
but coming on here just to say
i can help you .....send me a pm
with no constructive advice or addition to the post or forum
is just using the forum for their advertising page
 
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