Sleeved or threaded Ivory Ferrules

be1163

be1163

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Are Ivory Ferrules always threaded or can they be sleeved? What is your preference and why?

Also what is involved in grinding threads?

Thanks to all that respond.
 
be1163 said:
Are Ivory Ferrules always threaded or can they be sleeved? What is your preference and why?

Also what is involved in grinding threads?

Thanks to all that respond.
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Pretty hard to grind the threads inside an ivory ferrule b/c the hole would be less than 5/16.
http://www.micro100.com/images/inch/TMDIAG.gif
That's the thread mill and you need a small router or flex shaft mounted on a tool post.
 
be1163 said:
Sorry, what I meant with the second part was the threads on the tenon.
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Some people use a special compression die with wax to form the threads, others use a high speed cutter and cut them using the lathes threading ability. Reguler metal taps don't work very well as they just chew up the tenon. I, myself, don't use threaded tenons although I use capped ferrules. Normal ferrules I drill to 5/16 and turn the tenon for a good fit. When installing ivory ferrules I drill a 1/4 inch hole in the ferrule and turn the tenon to fit. I believe that ivory needs all the help it can get to keep from cracking so by using a 1/4 " tenon I can leave the ferrule walls a little thicker.

Dick
 
rhncue said:
Some people use a special compression die with wax to form the threads, others use a high speed cutter and cut them using the lathes threading ability. Reguler metal taps don't work very well as they just chew up the tenon. I, myself, don't use threaded tenons although I use capped ferrules. Normal ferrules I drill to 5/16 and turn the tenon for a good fit. When installing ivory ferrules I drill a 1/4 inch hole in the ferrule and turn the tenon to fit. I believe that ivory needs all the help it can get to keep from cracking so by using a 1/4 " tenon I can leave the ferrule walls a little thicker.

Dick
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I have always done the same, but I use a 9/32" hole in the capped ferrule.I also use a flat bottomed drill bit, so that there is no air gaps between the tenon & the bottom of the hole...JER
 
Thanks for the replies.

I have 6 Ivory Ferrules here and have never put one on. I was curious of the sleeved method because I'm going to be using my wifes cue to try my first one. If it turms out I won't have a problem offering them.

Thanks again.
 
be1163 said:
Are Ivory Ferrules always threaded or can they be sleeved? What is your preference and why?
Also what is involved in grinding threads?
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I dont think it makes a hoot as far as the hit or feel but I like threaded and caped ferrules.

It is easy enough to drill and thread the Ivory blank and a compression die cuts the threads on the tennon just fine.

Once the epoxy has hardened I doubt anyone could feel the difference.
 
I thread mine also, just like any other ferrule. I leave it capped to provide more strength to prevent cracking. I only use threaded ferrules, they don't seam to get that gap between the ferrule and shaft after a couple years like slip on ferrules do.
Chris
 
Chris' Cues said:
I thread mine also, just like any other ferrule. I leave it capped to provide more strength to prevent cracking. I only use threaded ferrules, they don't seam to get that gap between the ferrule and shaft after a couple years like slip on ferrules do.
Chris
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Tap, tap, tap.
 
be1163 said:
What thickness of cap is recommended or perferred?
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All of my capped ferrule have a .25" cap. When I make them, if they will have a finished size of one inch then I drill 3/4, if longer or shorter I compensate for the difference.

Dick
 
I use between 3/16" and 1/4" cap. I have put them on threaded and unthreaded and both are fine. Don't forget to drill a 1/16" or smaller glue relief hole through the cap. By the way I got a letter the other day from one of the other Ivory suppliers asking who was going to raise the prices on ferrules, joints, and butt plates first so we can all make decent money on it again. So don't be surprised if $15 ivory ferrules become history soon. Ivory used to be very profitable, but with tusk prices so high now it is just barely worth doing at todays prices. This is why tusk sections are very hard to find. The only way to make money on ivory is to turn it into parts. If tusk prices continue to increase so will part prices.
Chris
www.cuesmith.com
www.internationalcuemakers.com
 
cueman said:
I use between 3/16" and 1/4" cap. I have put them on threaded and unthreaded and both are fine. Don't forget to drill a 1/16" or smaller glue relief hole through the cap. By the way I got a letter the other day from one of the other Ivory suppliers asking who was going to raise the prices on ferrules, joints, and butt plates first so we can all make decent money on it again. So don't be surprised if $15 ivory ferrules become history soon. Ivory used to be very profitable, but with tusk prices so high now it is just barely worth doing at todays prices. This is why tusk sections are very hard to find. The only way to make money on ivory is to turn it into parts. If tusk prices continue to increase so will part prices.
Chris
www.cuesmith.com
www.internationalcuemakers.com
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That sounds like price fixing to me. Who was that letter from?
 
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