ive seen this done before but i cant figure out how to do it.. can someone please explain to me how to do the slipstroke in as much detail as possible?? thanks
slip stroke??
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Very easy to do, although it works best on longer straight in shots. I actually use it almost always on longer, straighter shots. Simply on your stroke that contacts the cueball, open up your back hand a bit so the cue butt slides a bit...then catch it after its slid a few inches. It takes any steering action you may induce with your stroke away from the equation. Cowboy Jimmy Moore was probably the most famous slip stoke artist...he used it lots. You'll be amazed how well it works on straight in long shots that use to seem tough. I generally hold the cuebutt normal, let it slip, and catch it just before the buttcap. Hope this helps...
hey thanks alot im gonna go try it right now... o my friend greg lets go of the cue in his bridge hand when he does it.. will that help?
Just the back hand. Any movement of the bridgehand is very bad!!!! Bridgehand must be rock solid with NO movement whatsoever...if you want to be accurate that is...
I can't think of why anyone would even want to try and learn this....I can only imagine the complete lack of control this slip stroke has....
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Try it...you'll surprise yourself how well it works for straight shots. Like I said...it eliminates any steering you may induce, and allows the cue to travel straight forward. Lots of pro players use it on many shots. Watch were Francisco & Efren often end up gripping the cuebutt after a shot...no "lack of control" that I can tell.
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Don "Preacher" Feeney demonstrates the slip stroke in Volume III (Advanced Stroking and Cueing) of his eight volume "Private Lessons with The Preacher" VHS set. (I think it may now be available as a DVD set.) I think it has just what you're looking for. The set is available thru Bert Kinister.
Releasing the cue before or at impact has been referred to as the stroke slip.
Quickly slipping the grip hand back during the backstroke is the slip stroke. Must have a light grip and dry hands. The speed of the backstroke is just enough to overcome the static friction of the grip, allowing it to slip a few inches back.
Quickly slipping the grip hand back during the backstroke is the slip stroke. Must have a light grip and dry hands. The speed of the backstroke is just enough to overcome the static friction of the grip, allowing it to slip a few inches back.
JohnnyP said:
Many great players have used and some still use a slip stroke. When done correctly and naturally it is a thing of beauty. Cole had the best slip stroke I have ever seen, although many a bank player have and still use it. Sometimes you have to look close to see the back hand move back on the cue. When I was young I could do it pretty good most of the time. Scares me now, I look like an old lady washing clothes if I try it.
I spent many hours watching Johnny Ervolino play, and he had the prettiest slip stroke I've ever seen. This is what it looks like:
He would bring the tip of the cuestick to the cueball with his back hand well forward on the cuestick, near the front of the wrap. Then his back hand would slide back on the cuestick several inches--slip--but the cue would not move. After sliding his hand back, he would re-grip and draw the cuestick back. On the downswing delivery, there was no slipping of the stroke. That is all done pre-backstroke. The delivery was effortless, and the added "slip" gave him a great follow through and superb cueball action.
And if anyone doubts the accuracy of this technique, let me tell you that Ervolino was a sensational shotmaker, with unreal touch, even into his 60's. I should also point out, in addition to Jimmy Moore, a fellow named Mosconi also used a slip stroke, and he was a pretty fair shotmaker himself. As a matter of fact, Johnny Ervolino told me he learned to slip stroke watching Mosconi.
The "slip stroke" Preacher Feeney demonstrated in his video is a release stroke, not a slip stroke. His point was to release the cue--not clutch it--on the forward stroke. This is completely different from a slip stroke.
He would bring the tip of the cuestick to the cueball with his back hand well forward on the cuestick, near the front of the wrap. Then his back hand would slide back on the cuestick several inches--slip--but the cue would not move. After sliding his hand back, he would re-grip and draw the cuestick back. On the downswing delivery, there was no slipping of the stroke. That is all done pre-backstroke. The delivery was effortless, and the added "slip" gave him a great follow through and superb cueball action.
And if anyone doubts the accuracy of this technique, let me tell you that Ervolino was a sensational shotmaker, with unreal touch, even into his 60's. I should also point out, in addition to Jimmy Moore, a fellow named Mosconi also used a slip stroke, and he was a pretty fair shotmaker himself. As a matter of fact, Johnny Ervolino told me he learned to slip stroke watching Mosconi.
The "slip stroke" Preacher Feeney demonstrated in his video is a release stroke, not a slip stroke. His point was to release the cue--not clutch it--on the forward stroke. This is completely different from a slip stroke.
Sure...but why??
I've seen some great players use a slipstroke but I've never figured out why they did it...I've asked and it seems that's just the way they learned...doesn't do anything to improve your game...just another moving part that can go wrong if you ask me...
I've seen some great players use a slipstroke but I've never figured out why they did it...I've asked and it seems that's just the way they learned...doesn't do anything to improve your game...just another moving part that can go wrong if you ask me...
on my table i got the cueball to roll off the rail 2 times.. yet ive seen people do it like 12 times... my table plays really really slow though so if i were at say the pool haul with fast playing tables do you think i could do it more?? or does the speed of the table not matter?
Johnny, all slip strokers snug the bridge gently. It holds the cue while the back hand slides back. Usually, as Ted noted the back hand starts forward of vertical. The back hand slides back to vertical or beyond depending on the shot.
Slip Strokers are noted for light grips and in some cases the cue may slide slightly forward "after" c/b contact. Before contact would be a stroke slip as noted. Same as the presumed "throwing of a cue".
Rod
Slip Strokers are noted for light grips and in some cases the cue may slide slightly forward "after" c/b contact. Before contact would be a stroke slip as noted. Same as the presumed "throwing of a cue".
Rod
JohnnyP said:
I never asked him, so I can't say, and if he did, it was not noticeable. In experimenting with slip stroking myself, I've found that tightening the bridge grip enabled me to get the feel of it. The more I became accoustomed to the feel, the less tightening seemed necessary.
I asked Wayne Norcross about it today, before I bombed out in the local tournament.
He said nothing changes with his bridge hand, it's just the weight of the cue that lets him slide the backhand.
He set up a shot about mid table. He pointed out that with his grip about midwrap, his arm is forward at the address. He slip strokes the shot, and the tip follows through at least six inches beyond the address point, with no elbow drop. He shows me that at the end of the stroke, the grip is at the end of the butt!
He explained that moving the grip back a couple inches at the start of the stroke, combined with releasing the cue at the end of the stroke (stroke slip), gave him the follow through he wanted.
He said nothing changes with his bridge hand, it's just the weight of the cue that lets him slide the backhand.
He set up a shot about mid table. He pointed out that with his grip about midwrap, his arm is forward at the address. He slip strokes the shot, and the tip follows through at least six inches beyond the address point, with no elbow drop. He shows me that at the end of the stroke, the grip is at the end of the butt!
He explained that moving the grip back a couple inches at the start of the stroke, combined with releasing the cue at the end of the stroke (stroke slip), gave him the follow through he wanted.
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Exactly right, Ted. I've seen many slip-strokers, and it does have the effect of promoting a better follow-through, simply because the shooter starts his forward stroke further back than necessary.tedkaufman said:
Even the great U.S. 3C player, Allen Gilbert, used a long and slow slip stroke. I copied it, and used it for years. However in my particular case it wasn't as accurate in pool. Then it took me a long time to break the habit. The poster who said that it adds another action that can go wrong is absolutely right. I really think it's more of a style thing; and that most of the old-timers were just copying Mosconi. I really don't think it adds much benefit to one's technique.
Doc
it all boils down to
using your arm which is pivoting directly in line with the cue to make your shot, and keep the finger pressure so light as to not influence the stroke with any sideways motion I believe. Too many players use a death grip on the butt. this light touch does a lot for ones accuracy.
using your arm which is pivoting directly in line with the cue to make your shot, and keep the finger pressure so light as to not influence the stroke with any sideways motion I believe. Too many players use a death grip on the butt. this light touch does a lot for ones accuracy.
olsonview is correct. The lighter the grip the better. Look at Francisco's hand...he's barely holding the cuebutt with 2 fingers...with the slightest of pressure. The looser the grip...the more accurate. In fact...the only pro I've ever heard of that said they used a tight deathgrip...was C.J. Wiley.
It always looks to me as though Buddy Hall has a 5-fingered hammer grip on the butt of his cue. I don't know that he's gripping it super firm, but he's really got ahold of it when he shoots. And of course Buddy has one of the best strokes in pool...Varney Cues said:
Doc