Slop vs No Slop Rules
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It intrigues me how simplistic you think the situation is....two choices huh?
...that's it for every billiard game?
Define "no slop". Does it mean call pocket, or call every kiss and carom on the way
to the pocket?
to the pocket?
I consider nothing simplistic, but I didn't see a reason to specify a game because I'm referring to any pool game. Feel free to name a game and then write your answer accordingly. You can give a different answer for every game. But in the poll I'm mostly talking about preference of either of the two concepts in general.
Call pocket is enough for it to be considered "no slop". Though you can specify which type of "no slop" you prefer in your answer.
My earliest years playing were in the 1970s playing 14.1, so I prefer strict call pocket in all games, even 9-ball. Call pocket / Call Safe 10-ball is the ultimate rotation game for higher skilled players, in my opinion.
Unless two players are EXTREMELY close in skill call shot does not matter with any game on any table.
Bottom line:
If I can beat you with call shot then I'm gonna beat you without call shot unless it's a very, very short race.
Rake
Bottom line:
If I can beat you with call shot then I'm gonna beat you without call shot unless it's a very, very short race.
Rake
It depends on your approach and connection with the game itself.
Personally, I believe the game should always be no slop allowed.
I've always viewed the game to essentially be more skills & strategy.
Unintentionally pocketed balls shouldn;t count. unless you called one of them.
It doesn't matter which game but there's still players that love the element of luck.
This is especially true of the cash type players that relish the action of the game.
Personally, I believe the game should always be no slop allowed.
I've always viewed the game to essentially be more skills & strategy.
Unintentionally pocketed balls shouldn;t count. unless you called one of them.
It doesn't matter which game but there's still players that love the element of luck.
This is especially true of the cash type players that relish the action of the game.
I agree with you but as I said above, unless two players skill levels are EXTREMELY close luck will in No way change the outcome unless the race is very, very short.
As for why I agree with your post:
I think billiards, pocket billiards, snooker.....etc should be kept at it's purest.
Rake
Back in the day, push out took away the 2-way shot. You miss the ball and hook me, I'm pushing out.
That’s exactly why call shot is better. It reduces the number of times a match will be decided by luck between two players who are close in skill level. I want to beat an opponent of similar skill level by playing better on the day rather than by luck.
If two very weak players are of similar skill level then call shot provides a bigger incentive for them to improve than slop allowed does.
Agreed, it’s going to make pretty much no difference in a race of a decent length but this could be said of a lot of rules (For example BIH, BIH in the kitchen, two shots carry, two shots don’t carry, two shots carry sometimes but sometimes don’t depending on the situation, two shots or BIH in the kitchen, BIH in the kitchen with directional but situational shooting rules (with or without spot shots)). - best player will still win most of the times regardless of the penalty for a foul.
The reason for choosing rules, IMO, is to have good rules that keep the game fair and honest regardless of who is playing.
I prefer call shot.
What I was talking about EYE is 9 ball call everything. Terrible way to play,
say you shoot at a ball and play the 9 with the cue ball. If you call both
you have to make both .
jack
Call everything certainly takes away the two way shot, there’s no argument against that. “Two way shot” appears to have different meanings though. For some, in non call shot 9 ball, an example of a two way shot would be shooting at two balls, one directly and another through a combo or carom or something, and hoping one or both go down. For me a two way shot is deciding, and therefore calling, which of those balls you intend to go down and not calling the one you “hope” will go down. If you get both it’s a bonus. There are lots of other two way shots too, including “weak” safety plays that give you options. For me a two way shot isn’t just trying to get one ball or an other down, it’s a much bigger shot than that.
Yes, call shot takes away one kind of two way shot from the game, but it adds a lot of other shots because those shots have to be defined before they are played. In many cases the difference might be trivial but those small differences can be also
highly significant .
Yes, call shot takes away one kind of two way shot from the game, but it adds a lot of other shots because those shots have to be defined before they are played. In many cases the difference might be trivial but those small differences can be also
highly significant .
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Why not just go with the established rules for each game, 9 ball no call, one pocket no call, 10 ball call, 8 ball call, 14.1 call. By call I mean ball and pocket not any other factor, kiss, carom or combo.
One pocket isn’t really in the discussion, or at least shouldn’t be. It’s contrived, it’s not pool. Applying this argument to it would be giving it too little respect.
Other than that, yep the established rules are ok. The rules for one pocket are ok too. But what would I rather play, slop or no slop? For 8, 9,10 and 14.1 I’d rather play no slop. For 1 pocket? Clearly call is better, but in before I’m told I don’t understand the game.
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Yes, you don't. :grin-square:
In one pocket, you only have "one" pocket so it's always called...lol.