Sloppy and incompetent work by Jim Pierce, poor customer service

Jim has built several cues and has done work for me in the past. He has always been more than fair and communicated quite well with me. I would have nothing negative to say about him or his work.

Just thought I'd give a positive side of dealing with Jim. Many others have had good experiences as well.. JMHO
 
I have only heard good things about Jim's work and one of his cues is still on my most wanted list. I think the trash talk should stop now, take the free work he did for you and pay Wheeler to repair the cue the way you want it. Enuff' Said. :boring2:

There are two sides on every coin.

THREE SIDES of Ever story at a MINIMUM.

Party "A's"

Party "B's"

11% Truth.

IMHO JIM is Cuemaker who does Quality Work. Tommie1351 has sold ho many Pierces with ZERO DEFECTS.
 
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offered to make things right multiple times.

I offered for you to send the cue (and the money you were supposed to have paid me for the work) to Mike Wheeler, and I would send additional money to cover the difference.

You refused, insisting that you would take nothing less than your original purchase price of the cue, $1375
Jim Pierce

I have read enough. You make a reasonable offer.

In fact, I think you are taking the worst of.
 
I placed an order from Jim a few months ago and his quality of work, customer service and communication was top notch. Good enough that I ordered again and have a cue on the way to me right now.

Jonathan
Ditto! Top notch customer service and even better product, I just paid for my fourth, which will be Jim's biggest to date...with an even Bigger cue in the design process for next year sometime!
 
To whom it may concern....

Well I made the mistake of sending a beautiful Mike Wheeler cue to Jim Pierce to have a new shaft made and a refinish to the cue. What should have been a relatively easy task for a competent cue maker turned into a damaged cue for me. This all started almost 4 months ago when I sent the cue to Jim and he promised a 2 to 3 week tournaround. Well, the cue was finally finished approx. 3 and half months later. In the meantime, I was patient up until the time that Jim Pierce said the cue was done and would be shipped on a Monday. No cue. I then emailed and called him repeatedly over period of two weeks with no response. He finally responded by email and sent my cue back three weeks later. Here is were the problems really begins....

The overall work that Jim Pierce performed on this cue was shoddy and incompetent. In fact, it was a "real hack job" in the words of a friend of mine. The problems and issues with the cue were numerous, with some more severe than others. I consider the cue profoundly damaged which has affected it's value greatly. Needless to say, I am a very disatisfied customer, and sick that a cue that I have $1,375 invested in was returned to me in this condition.

The following lists the problems and issues I found with the cue when it was returned to me:

-Jim Pierce cut approx. 2.5 centimeters into a phenalic ring in the butt sleeve, therebye cutting the ring in half. This botch was not necessary. There was no need to extend the wrap area. He was careless and sloppy. This affects the symmetry and appearance of the cue.

-The edge of the butt sleeve where the wrap ends is "raw" and sharp and is no longer flush with the wrap. You can feel it with your hands as it is an uncomfortable sharp edge. Jim Pierce cut the wrap pocket too deep (of course there was no reason to deepen the pocket at all).

-The new finish is lifting along this ring at the bottom of the wrap.

-The forearm of the cue now "dishes" (dips in) directly below the joint. It appears that sanding of the forearm would case this loss of wood. Jim Pierce denies doing this, but there is now daylight under the joint, where there was none before. Mike Wheeler adamately denies that the cue would have left his shop like this.

-Two new ferrules were replaced on the existing shafts....these ferrules arrived with pits and gouges in them.

-The new shaft that he made for the cue was larger in diameter at the joint area than butt collar. Again, sloppy, careless work.

-The new shaft "fits" on losely on the pin until the final turn. Again, sloppy.


In conclusion, my dealings with Jim Pierce were terrible. The customer service, if you can call it that, was almost non-existent. There was very little communication and when these issues were brought to his attention he virtually denied any wrongdoing (despite the fact that I have before and after photo's). Jim Pierce's workmanship was sloppy and careless, as evidenced by the outcome of my cue.

Pictures to follow.....
First picture is before I sent the cue to Jim Pierce. Note the original ring diameter
The 2nd picture is the cue butt after I got it back from Pierce. Note the ring cut in half.
3rd picture show the proper width of the ring below the one cut in half.
4th photo shows the "daylight" under the joint where there is missing wood.


My two cents.

Is it possible that the cue was in this shape before you sent it to Jim? It seems reasonable that the multiple previous repairs could have caused it. Hope you guys are able to work it out.
 
Pics pics pics

Guys, I don't know any cuemaker (which I regret btw) but I have a proposition for them. Take 5-10 pictures to a cue you've received for refinish or any other work. Also do this when the cue leaves your workshop. It takes 10 minutes at most but you will be secured and none of this will pop up here. Consider this as a coffee or smoke break. It's fun to make pictures, believe me and helpful.

Just a simple "advice".

All the best,

Chris
 
That cue looks to have quite a hook in it in that image. That wouldn't bother me nearly as bad as that table cushion and I assume rail in the background though. I've played putt putt golf on more level surfaces!!

Photographs are wunnerful things, people believe what they see.

Hu

Yep, cushions are bad, table is dead level. ;)
 
Any before pics of the cue, how do we know the cue didn't have a lift by the joint before you sent it off to Jim?? Jim didn't even take a down payment for the work, how many cuemakers would do that, not too many. I wanna see how many people pop up and say they've had bad dealings with Jim on this thread, probably gonna be ZERO. I saw this cue right before it left Jim's shop and the finish was great. Jim offered to make things right but you want the $1375? There's alot of shady cuemakers out there, but Jim isn't one of them. Just my opinion.

Actually, I've had two pm's from people that say they were screwed by Jim. Obviously most people do not want to get involved if they have something bad to say. Jim's offer to make things right will not work after talking with Mike Wheeler. As to the joint issue....I do not have before pictures, and no I can't be absolutely sure that Jim did do the "dishing". However, I'm particular about my cues and never noticed any issue with the joint, and never any "light" under the butt when rolled. In addition, Mike Wheeler claims that a cue made that way would never leave his shop.
 
I placed an order from Jim a few months ago and his quality of work, customer service and communication was top notch. Good enough that I ordered again and have a cue on the way to me right now.

Jonathan

Glad it worked out for you. Hope the cue you are going to get is not screwed up.
 
I have only heard good things about Jim's work and one of his cues is still on my most wanted list. I think the trash talk should stop now, take the free work he did for you and pay Wheeler to repair the cue the way you want it. Enuff' Said. :boring2:

There are two sides on every coin.

You might want to cross him off your list. IMO

The "free" work he did for me is going to cost me an arm and a leg. Thanks for your fabulous input.
 
What a twist!

After reading every post in this thread, it seems to me that what started out as several good reasons for NOT doing business with this cue maker, has, at this point, turned into a lot of reasons FOR doing business with him. All the testimonials, and Jim's very credible post, lead me to believe Jim's side of this dispute.
 
Actually, I loved the way the cue played. I originally sent the cue to Jim to have just a shaft made, and to have him "clean up" the original shafts and have them retiped. Jim convinced me that the cue could use a refinish, so I said yes.

Yes I am pissed.

Yep, nobody is perfect, but some people will do the right thing to correct their mistakes.

Thanks.


over a cue that you didnt like the way it shot to begin with.
the cue is screwed. you are p-ss because the cue has been a total loss.
i would be up set too.
but your not doing yourself any favors.

the best thing that can happen is to figure out that no one is perfect
not you not jim and not me.

you guys need a mediator........
i think this can be worked out in time. if so it would say a lot about both of you guys charater in a possitive manner...............................

i dont know jim pierce but i do think he put his heart into his cues.

you have nothing to lose and everything to gain.
MMike
 
You and I have had words before, and I think it best that you mind your own business.

I've had other cues refinished before by proficient. I think I'm alowed to send a cue wherever I want


THEN



You just heard that Mike was no longer working on cues but you didn't bother to find out?

Jims post sounds quite plausible.

Hmmm, Something is rotten in the state of Denmark, me thinks.

Not happy with the cue and trying to make another cue maker pay the price, perhaps?

Lets see how this one unfolds shall we.[/QUOTE
 
I ordered a custom cue from Jim a few months ago and his quality of work, customer service and communication was superb .Kept me up to date on progress , pics ,email , text and calls thru the entire progress! Then even after I received my cue , he did not forget he sent me a well wish on New Years ! He asked if I was satisfied and wanted to change anything about the cue? My response heck no I love it !!!!
Not sure what happened in your case , but one thing I know about Jim he is a stand up guy and a reputable cue maker !

I truly am glad that it worked out for you.
 
Correct thing

Actually, I loved the way the cue played. I originally sent the cue to Jim to have just a shaft made, and to have him "clean up" the original shafts and have them retiped. Jim convinced me that the cue could use a refinish, so I said yes.

Yes I am pissed.

Yep, nobody is perfect, but some people will do the right thing to correct their mistakes.

Thanks.

What would be the correct thing in your opinion for Jim to do?

Have you had the cue repaired previously?
 
Lenny,

No I cannot beyond a shadow of a doubt say that the forearm "dish" was there before or not. The cue butt and cue itself are "dead straight". The "dish" is actually more in the shape of an "hour glass". It does make sense that Jim should have looked over the cue and noted that it was like that before proceeding with the work.

Good luck to you if you do business with Jim Pierce.

This is just my 2 cents in the matter. It seems that you cannot say that forearm roll was there before Jim got it or not, did you send the cue to Jim or did Mike? I do not see someone refinishing your cue leaving that kind of lift, its pretty severe so perhaps it was warped already. Usually most cuemakers I believe check the butt and shafts to see if all is well before moving forward with working on it.

I am curious if Jim did a check before working on the cue and you cannot say whether it was like that before hand or not, you keep saying Mike says it was not like that. As for Jim, I have heard nothing but great things and his work looks great, I will do business with him. Jim check your PMs, I sent one recently for a bowling alley shaft blank. Thanks.
 
Jim has built several cues and has done work for me in the past. He has always been more than fair and communicated quite well with me. I would have nothing negative to say about him or his work.

Just thought I'd give a positive side of dealing with Jim. Many others have had good experiences as well.. JMHO

Glad it worked out for you.
 
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