small chunk fell off cue tip

seanjonsean

Otanisan Cues
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hi all, well today i was practicing with my viking cue and it has a tiger medsoft tip and i saw a small piece fall off , it fell right off from the middle,i had this tip installed last year and then i put the cue away and i used the tip pic and the its a george tip tool i think i might of been harsh on it ,should i replace it?and do u think from being put up it got damaged ?
 
seanjonsean said:
hi all, well today i was practicing with my viking cue and it has a tiger medsoft tip and i saw a small piece fall off , it fell right off from the middle,i had this tip installed last year and then i put the cue away and i used the tip pic and the its a george tip tool i think i might of been harsh on it ,should i replace it?and do u think from being put up it got damaged ?

It is a layered tip, right? Most likely, you were a little aggresive with the George tool, and the tip was rounded a good bit, and a couple of layers from the middle came loose. For layered tips, it is best to just use a tip pic, and try and avoid working the crown too much since there isn't a lot holding the top layer or two on. A relatively flat tip, closer to nickel is more forgiving. I would suspect you were working the tip over because you like it a little closer to dime radius?

Kelly
 
hey thanxz for the reply, and yes i overdid it witht he tool but it was because i was miscuin alot at the time and no i prefer the nickel radius ,so u think i should replace the tip?well i prob am anyways since now its a mental thing lol ...
 
Kelly_Guy said:
It is a layered tip, right? ... For layered tips, it is best to just use a tip pic, and try and avoid working the crown too much since there isn't a lot holding the top layer or two on. A relatively flat tip, closer to nickel is more forgiving. I would suspect you were working the tip over because you like it a little closer to dime radius?

Kelly

I have always read that tip pics are not for layered tips.
 
Layers falling off

I bought a Q that came with 2 shafts, both layered tips by an unknown maker. The tips on both were very flat and when I tried to round them off, the top layer would fall off :mad: each time I got it just where I wanted.

I have a Sniper layered tip on my main shooter and have never had any problems at all. I took both shafts and had Snipers put on each one. The Q repair guy rounded them off a little, but left a flat spot on the tip. Probably afraid of layers falling off. When I got home I rounded each off to where I wanted and NO layers fell off. I use a black plastic semi round thing that holds a peice of coarse sandpaper. With the tip up and the joint on the floor, I use a downward (curving) stroke (never upward) as I turn the shaft. This is by hand, not a preshaped tool. I've shot with them many times since with no layers falling off. Works great for me. :)

I think it is possible that your tip pic might b the problem, although I use a tip pic on mine, but I don't get carried away when using it. I've seen some folks grind away with a tip pic like they were trying to break cement with a sledgehammer. I always marvel that the entire tip doesn't fall off. It is also possible your tip may b old and dried out or perhaps it was not properly made.

Charlie
 
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seanjonsean said:
hi all, well today i was practicing with my viking cue and it has a tiger medsoft tip and i saw a small piece fall off , it fell right off from the middle,i had this tip installed last year and then i put the cue away and i used the tip pic and the its a george tip tool i think i might of been harsh on it ,should i replace it?and do u think from being put up it got damaged ?

Interesting. We do not make a med/soft tip, so I do not know which tip you actually have, but never use a TipPik or any other sticking tool on a laminated cue tip. A small square of 80 grit sandpaper is all you will ever need.

If you have enough tip left on there, just reshape it.
 
Black-Balled said:
I have always read that tip pics are not for layered tips.

As I mentioned in my original post, I believe if you stay away from the crown, tip piks are ok.

The problem is working on the crown area vigorously, either with a scuffer, or a tip pik to hard. There is little surface area contact between the top layer or two and the underlying layers, and the stress will cause it to delaminate.

I think a tip pik staying away from the crown is ok.

Corey's suggesting of sandpaper is probably best.

Kelly
 
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seanjonsean said:
hi all, well today i was practicing with my viking cue and it has a tiger medsoft tip and i saw a small piece fall off , it fell right off from the middle,i had this tip installed last year and then i put the cue away and i used the tip pic and the its a george tip tool i think i might of been harsh on it ,should i replace it?and do u think from being put up it got damaged ?
It must be a layered tip if a piece fell off from the middle. If the tip is still pretty thick you can have it reshaped, but if it's worn down (thin) i'd have a new tip installed. Storing the cue shouldn't have caused this problem unless the glue holding the layers together is poor quality.
 
hi mr corey ,im sur e u dont remember but i sent u a few mesages last year i think and u told me that the tip piks are bad for tiger tips but it was too late i went to town with that thing ,all in all im sure i ruined the tip thanxz corey for ure input and im going to use the 80grit paper only from now on,and yes i do have a lot left on the tip just the middle looks funny , but today i went to a reputable place unlike my last expirience "read other post" and i had a tiger soft tip installed and its perfectly centerd and nice nickel shape im happy.i also asked him bout the chunk falling off of my other tip and he sed just bring it in and i can reshape it and i should be good to go ...
 
I guess My experiences may be alittle different. I have never had a problem using a Tip Pik on most laminated tips. Improper use of one is a different story. They are not made to be twisted, as that can rip laminates apart very easily when improperly used, only to lightly poke tiny holes straight down to better hold chalk, that is all It is designed for as far as I know of, and they are not a shaper or scuffer of any kind, so twisting motions are not a good idea. Over use or improper use of the tool can cause delamination though, but so can other tools that use a razor to trim the side or tune the radius up, sometimes even when used as recomended

I've been using a tip pik for quite a few years, and never had a problem Myself, except when I first tried them, and made the mistake of twisting. I rarely use any other kind of tool in the field, rarely even sandpaper, If the tip needs work, I do all that on the lathe. My personal tips last until I'm ready to try something new. I have some shafts that have had the same tip for years with plenty of life still left, and that was a result of using only that one tool.

I once tested some new tip samples that were on the market when they first came out, and the bond between layers just was'nt any good period on most of the samples I received. They couldn't even be crowned without coming apart. Usually this is not the case, but still with almost any brand there can always be one bad apple out of the entire crop, but all the rest of the same kind or batch may be fine with no issues. I have heard of whole batches being bad, but usually that becomes well known quickly with the internet theses days.

There are many things that can cause delamination from intial installation of the tip, to someone with a tip tool grinding away. Some tip tools can even pull the entire tip off the ferrule depending on how they are used, and can most certainly cause delamination if not used with extreme caution.

Everyone's experiences can be different, so these are just mine.

I will say though, of the Tiger tips I have used, I have had no issues like that. The sniper tip requires a couple of tricks to install, but when done correctly installs like the breeze for me, seems like a really good tip to me in that even though the feel is somewhat softer then I usually use, It amazes me that sides hold so well with no shrooning. Almost like it has good memory. Amazing material there in those tips. I actually like the way they play also. I used everest for a couple of years on My players years ago, those were laminated, and they served me well at the time. I've had no problems with that tool on these tips, but if tiger recomends against It, well I have to think they would know their own product as well as anyone.

Just My 2cents, hope It's of use. possible that My experiences where I'm at could be different in another climate, I don't know, but I have no issues with a tip pik when I use them. I've shown quite a few people how to use them though after they had an incident, and they don't seem to have any problems after that.:)

Good luck with It.:)

Greg
 
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thanxz greg i have everest on my house cue med on my viking sniper on my kaiser break cue and just now soft on my lucasi ,oh and i tried reshaping the tip myself just awhile ago and it came apart ouch! ill leave it to the pros to install a new one ...
 
seanjonsean said:
thanxz greg i have everest on my house cue med on my viking sniper on my kaiser break cue and just now soft on my lucasi ,oh and i tried reshaping the tip myself just awhile ago and it came apart ouch! ill leave it to the pros to install a new one ...


I've been there too,

I started out many years ago tipping My own cues for 2 reasons, for one, frankly at the time I could'nt afford to pay someone else to do it half the time, but also because there was noone in My local area then, altough when I played tourneys out of town, I would sometimes have someone do some work for me. That was the start for me. I was using what hand tools I could gather up, kept building them up, as other players would ask to have their cue tipped also. Then got a wood lathe so shafts could be cleaned and polished easier, then came the ferrule work, so had to have the taylor tenon machine. Used these tools for years, learned there in and outs, Limitations of what little i had to work with, and was able to do a decent job eventually, but it was not the perfection I wanted, and was very time consuming, and such a pain that it was hardly worth the effort at one point in time when there was more of them to do.

If you have someone locally with a lathe setup, and that does good work, I would definatly recomend going that way. Proper Tip and shaft care on a regular basis will serve your game well, with less distractions.

I don't know how many people do this, but when I tip someone's cue, whether or not it happens or I compress the tip before installing, I tell them to assume that it will shroon during the compression cycle, as some new installs do. I tell them to bring it back after they break it in, and I trim the sides, and recrown for free. It's less aggravation for them, only takes a couple of minutes on a lathe, and I would rather do this then have someone sanding on the sides, because that can do damage to the end of ferrule, tapering it down reducing the face diameter of the tip, effecting their game, not to mention create more work for me to keep it somewhat playable when I retip down the road, and eventually can lead to that needing to be replaced also, which is more dollars out of their pocket that could have been avoided.

Even if a good repair guy charges a few bucks to tune the tip up, then IMHO It's money well spent.:) It's a win/win for everyone involved, your helping support him so he can continue to better equip himself to serve You and the other players in your area, while at the same time you can focus on what's most important to you, your pool game. Believe me he's not making a killing, what ever he makes is more then likely all going back into It to improve his capabilities, just so he can better serve, and offer more types of repair.

You'll thank Yourself if You find someone locally that does good work, treats you fairly, and will take good care of your arsonal.:)

Good luck with it & sorry to hear about your tip,

Greg
 
ok well i took in my viking shaft to have the guy reshape as he sed he would ,but another guy was there and he seemed kinda rude but i just wanted my tip done , i asked him to reshape it and if it could be saved ?he sed "hey bud its up too u ill do whatever u want "i asked give me ure profesianal opinion , he sed "hey evryone is diffrent just tel me what u want" and i asked him can u save the tip or do i need a new one? ,and he sed save it?! from what?!at that point i knew this guy was being arrogant and rude and i started to look for the guy that had attended me the other day but to no avail could he b found ,so i then rudely pointed out to him can u not see the chunks missing ? i told him im here to pay money i dont want anything free ,charge me whatever u want but rehsape it if u can , or install new tip, so he gets quiet and shapes it ,he tells me hit a few balls and i miscue and he ses well ure hiiting wrong and i sed i kno im using extreme english thats how i do my test , then i sed u kno what install a new tip ,he turns around and calls in another guy and has him install the tip i pay for the tip and neither say thank u or anything ,this is the best place in town but bad service ,i wish i could install my own tips ! in a way i liked it but im a non confrontational guy but peop like that are making me stick up for myself lol
 
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