Smoking • U.S. Open 9 Ball Champion
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I think that businesses that are well run will continue to do well despite a few customers that will whine.
Businesses need all the customers they can get but the smoking allowed establishments are probably missing some very lucrative business from the non-smokers who just don't want to be exposed to the stink and the health hazards of smokers. Like you, I guess I am a pool nut.
Most is fine, just making an observation about Louisiana and you can't get much further south than Louisiana......
No that list didn't come off the top of my head but out of Wikipedia.
I catch a little flak for some of my perspectives about a few other things but I know that everyone won't always agree with me and that's ok.
The fact that I live my life treating everyone fairly and with respect until they treat me otherwise, that I try to live my personal life as a positive life, is good enough to carry me through any flak that I might receive here or anywhere else but thanks for the sentiments as they are appreciated.
It's been almost 6 months since the last "smokers are evil, nasty, hustlers, trying to shark everyone, lets run them out of town" thread ... guess it was time.
For the record, I am a smoker - and I support NOT smoking in a pool room.
I just don't see why we need to have the same 5 arguments on this board getting recycled every couple of months.
For the record, I am a smoker - and I support NOT smoking in a pool room.
I just don't see why we need to have the same 5 arguments on this board getting recycled every couple of months.
The problem is that people seem to think that complaining about it here on public discussion boards, is somehow going to *do* something about it.
And the funny thing is, today is Election Day. The very day of the year when the citizen is empowered to at least try to *do* something about this by casting his/her vote, instead of complaining on message boards.
That is, unless, I'm missing the fact that tournament directors read these boards, and the message is getting to them indirectly...?
-Sean
I'm Libertarian. I don't like government telling me what to do. With that said.....
This stuff kills OTHER people. Now, if you guys/gals want to take a hit off an electronic vapor cig......one that doesn't emit something that destroys my property and my person, I don't have a problem with it. But, the cancer stick, that most of us has come to loathe, must go away like the archaic habit it's become.
And yea, if I eat a cheeseburger, the guy next to me doesn't have a heart attack.
And another oh yea.......I don't sit in front of campfires either for the exact same reasons.
I work in the healthcare industry and almost every single day I get the opportunity to talk to dying smokers who tell me that if they could go back and do it over again, they never would have started the habit. Seeing people emaciated and on hospice is a sobering experience.
So, for those on the other side of the fence from me.......argue now. Because you'll die with much regret later (or should I say sooner).
This stuff kills OTHER people. Now, if you guys/gals want to take a hit off an electronic vapor cig......one that doesn't emit something that destroys my property and my person, I don't have a problem with it. But, the cancer stick, that most of us has come to loathe, must go away like the archaic habit it's become.
And yea, if I eat a cheeseburger, the guy next to me doesn't have a heart attack.
And another oh yea.......I don't sit in front of campfires either for the exact same reasons.
I work in the healthcare industry and almost every single day I get the opportunity to talk to dying smokers who tell me that if they could go back and do it over again, they never would have started the habit. Seeing people emaciated and on hospice is a sobering experience.
So, for those on the other side of the fence from me.......argue now. Because you'll die with much regret later (or should I say sooner).
I disagree strenuously. This is merely another example of lack of awareness of matters of public health and the essentially selfish attitudes fostered in modern society.
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Nicotine is known to be a performance enhancing drug. Asking the smoker (or telling him) not to smoke is actually going to decrease his performance. Therefore those that wish to compel smokers to not smoke are overtly and knowingly attempting to take advantage of them.
Difficult problem to address fairly, no doubt.
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Hi Joey, its your contrary, cantankerous ole' buddy. The 78 year old '2 pack-a-day' smoker, since he was 16..I admit 2nd hand smoke can be irritating, and smelly, to a non-smoker, but all the BS about 2nd hand smoke, is just that,BS....
My mother smoked (heavy) and drank (heavy) all through us four kids pregnancies..We all turned out OK. (except for my mental shortcomings) My mom passed on, in her mid-80's, as did my next oldest sisterSuperDuck
PS..Oh, and thanks for letting me know how to beat SVB..I will have a cigarette burning on every corner of the table, and a couple more in the ashtray's..That, and the 5 out and the break, and his healthy young ass is mine ! :grin:
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DrOnePocket
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Surely you don't believe that spending a few days around smoke is gonna determine how long you live. lol
I certainly do not think smokers are evil or nasty. Yes, smoking has been discussed a lot but its a continuing issue.
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I sort of like the comedian Gallagher's take on it... he asks "what if drinkers acted like smokers?" then he takes a big brink and spits it all over the front row.
If it was a once-in-a-lifetime "few days," perhaps not. But many pool players, be they tournament pros or league novices, are confronted with this situation over and over again. I imagine that can have an effect.
Hi Joey, its your contrary, cantankerous ole' buddy. The 78 year old '2 pack-a-day' smoker, since he was 16..I admit 2nd hand smoke can be irritating, and smelly, to a non-smoker, but all the BS about 2nd hand smoke, is just that,BS....
The fact that smoking has negative effects on health and longevity does not mean that everyone who smokes dies "early." Some just get lucky. The lucky group seems to include you (so far). Please read post #47 above.
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Smoking in a pool room....
I wrote this in a smoking thread a while back. Instead of stating the same thing twice I will just copy and paste it b/c I don't know how to attach an old thread comment/post or whatever. lol.. Sorry, it's kind of long... I just feel really strongly about people's right to smoke or not smoke... I know threads like this can be tiresome but I will never give up on trying to enjoy myself at tournaments rather than dread going to them b/c I know the smoke will be insane! Even playing on the OB Cues Ladies 9ball Tour is hard sometimes, depending on the pool room. They do not allow smoking at the table (which is awesome), but that doesn't stop people from smoking 10 feet from you at the bar...
We all have the right to DECIDE how we want to live our lives. Smoke, don’t smoke, go where they allow it or don’t….whatever…..it’s your choice. Well, to be fair, it's your choice IF you have the option of a smoking and a non-smoking pool room.
With that said, let me tell you a simple little story. I was in a (smoking) pool room for league one night. I was sitting down minding my own business, eating a salad that I had ordered. A few minutes into my dinner someone walks up to where I am sitting, puts an ash tray right in front of me, puts his cigarette in the ash tray, and walks away. I politely move the ash tray so the smoke wasn’t blowing directly into my face while I’m eating my food. The person comes back, gets irritated with me for moving the ash tray, and gives me a dirty look. I simply stated I was trying to eat without the smoke in my face and he says, “You are in a bar”, rather rudely. Well no sh*t Sherlock! I couldn’t tell! What the hell kind of argument is that and do you really expect to win with it??? THIS is what I do not like.
My point of the story is that if everyone was courteous, and if everyone even began to think a little about how it affects people around them other than themselves, I doubt the whole smoking ban thing would be this big of an issue. (I know I know…this might only happen in my little fantasy world.) There are some smokers out there that will make sure they don’t blow smoke in your face, or make sure that the line of smoke isn’t directed toward you. I am fortunate to have these kinds of friends. However, there are a lot of smokers that have the “don’t come into my space if you don’t want to smell it” mentality. Even when I was a smoker I never had that mentality. Now I have not smoked in about 5 years and I will admit that ONE of the reasons I don’t frequent the pool rooms is because of the smoking. Smoking is the smoker's bad habit - I do not wish to make it mine (again). It is also my opinion that most pool room owners do not want to spend the money it takes (because it is expensive) on a really good ventilation system. I have no idea if that is true or not – I am just basing this off of what I have seen, heard, and experienced.
You can argue all day long…until you are blue in the face if you want…who is right and who is wrong here. Personally, I do not wish to pollute my lungs with 2nd hand smoke (which IS harmful), so I go to pool rooms only when I have to, and that is MY choice. I do not have an issue with smokers, but smokers can’t say that non-smokers want it their way or no way, without saying the same thing about themselves.
This thread is about smoking…your opinion on banning it or not. It is not about driving, eating fast food, or working out. The Government is trying to do what is best for the people of this country by banning smoking in public establishments. By giving non-smokers the right to simply not smoke against their will in public establishments. This is going to be one of those debates folks will still be having years and years from now.
It is our own responsibility to treat each other as we would be treated. Reverting back to the bible, “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”
Definition of COURTESY
1
a : behavior marked by polished manners or respect for others : courteous behavior
b : a courteous and respectful act or expression
Just sayin’….
I wrote this in a smoking thread a while back. Instead of stating the same thing twice I will just copy and paste it b/c I don't know how to attach an old thread comment/post or whatever. lol.. Sorry, it's kind of long... I just feel really strongly about people's right to smoke or not smoke... I know threads like this can be tiresome but I will never give up on trying to enjoy myself at tournaments rather than dread going to them b/c I know the smoke will be insane! Even playing on the OB Cues Ladies 9ball Tour is hard sometimes, depending on the pool room. They do not allow smoking at the table (which is awesome), but that doesn't stop people from smoking 10 feet from you at the bar...
We all have the right to DECIDE how we want to live our lives. Smoke, don’t smoke, go where they allow it or don’t….whatever…..it’s your choice. Well, to be fair, it's your choice IF you have the option of a smoking and a non-smoking pool room.
With that said, let me tell you a simple little story. I was in a (smoking) pool room for league one night. I was sitting down minding my own business, eating a salad that I had ordered. A few minutes into my dinner someone walks up to where I am sitting, puts an ash tray right in front of me, puts his cigarette in the ash tray, and walks away. I politely move the ash tray so the smoke wasn’t blowing directly into my face while I’m eating my food. The person comes back, gets irritated with me for moving the ash tray, and gives me a dirty look. I simply stated I was trying to eat without the smoke in my face and he says, “You are in a bar”, rather rudely. Well no sh*t Sherlock! I couldn’t tell! What the hell kind of argument is that and do you really expect to win with it??? THIS is what I do not like.
My point of the story is that if everyone was courteous, and if everyone even began to think a little about how it affects people around them other than themselves, I doubt the whole smoking ban thing would be this big of an issue. (I know I know…this might only happen in my little fantasy world.) There are some smokers out there that will make sure they don’t blow smoke in your face, or make sure that the line of smoke isn’t directed toward you. I am fortunate to have these kinds of friends. However, there are a lot of smokers that have the “don’t come into my space if you don’t want to smell it” mentality. Even when I was a smoker I never had that mentality. Now I have not smoked in about 5 years and I will admit that ONE of the reasons I don’t frequent the pool rooms is because of the smoking. Smoking is the smoker's bad habit - I do not wish to make it mine (again). It is also my opinion that most pool room owners do not want to spend the money it takes (because it is expensive) on a really good ventilation system. I have no idea if that is true or not – I am just basing this off of what I have seen, heard, and experienced.
You can argue all day long…until you are blue in the face if you want…who is right and who is wrong here. Personally, I do not wish to pollute my lungs with 2nd hand smoke (which IS harmful), so I go to pool rooms only when I have to, and that is MY choice. I do not have an issue with smokers, but smokers can’t say that non-smokers want it their way or no way, without saying the same thing about themselves.
This thread is about smoking…your opinion on banning it or not. It is not about driving, eating fast food, or working out. The Government is trying to do what is best for the people of this country by banning smoking in public establishments. By giving non-smokers the right to simply not smoke against their will in public establishments. This is going to be one of those debates folks will still be having years and years from now.
It is our own responsibility to treat each other as we would be treated. Reverting back to the bible, “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”
Definition of COURTESY
1
a : behavior marked by polished manners or respect for others : courteous behavior
b : a courteous and respectful act or expression
Just sayin’….
Hmm....
Sometimes one has no choice but to go to the smoking pool room. Sometimes that is ALL THERE IS. Are people supposed to give up playing pool because there aren't any non-smoking establishments to play in? That just doesn't seem fair...but hey....life isn't fair I guess. I, myself, do not frequent pool rooms that allow smoking. I cannot stand the smell of it and it gives me a headache. The ill effects it has on me make me not want to to play pool or be in a pool room longer than an hour or so. However, that will not stop me from playing in a tournament being held at a pool room that allows smoking. I suffer through it.
I just don't understand how folks can say "don't go if you have a problem with it". To me that is a sad, and quite frankly, a stupid and selfish statement to make. That is just my in my opinion.
Amanda
(meaning no offense to anyone whatsoever!)
Sometimes one has no choice but to go to the smoking pool room. Sometimes that is ALL THERE IS. Are people supposed to give up playing pool because there aren't any non-smoking establishments to play in? That just doesn't seem fair...but hey....life isn't fair I guess. I, myself, do not frequent pool rooms that allow smoking. I cannot stand the smell of it and it gives me a headache. The ill effects it has on me make me not want to to play pool or be in a pool room longer than an hour or so. However, that will not stop me from playing in a tournament being held at a pool room that allows smoking. I suffer through it.
I just don't understand how folks can say "don't go if you have a problem with it". To me that is a sad, and quite frankly, a stupid and selfish statement to make. That is just my in my opinion.
Amanda
(meaning no offense to anyone whatsoever!)
Sigh...
I don't find them....they unfortunately find me. I promise you this, I am NOT as nice about it as I used to be. It irritates me, to no end, how some smokers can be so ignorant of other people. If they want to smoke, by all means smoke, but don't make me smoke with you....
I don't find them....they unfortunately find me. I promise you this, I am NOT as nice about it as I used to be. It irritates me, to no end, how some smokers can be so ignorant of other people. If they want to smoke, by all means smoke, but don't make me smoke with you....