smoking ban and the effect on poolhalls??

BHQ said:
last nite i played at hilltop billiards
haven't been there in a few months
they made it non-smoking sometime since then
i couldn't believe that at 8:30 on a saturday nite, i was one of three people in the entire place
before last nite, everytime i've been there the place is packed on fridays & saturdays
i was thinking, well, maybe it's early???
at 10:00 , there were maybe 8 more people at best
by midnite when i left , it was up to 12 or 15 people
right or wrong, not gonna argue about it, but it is definitely killing thier business
bartender told me last week they did $32 from sunday to thursday
geezzzzzzzzzzz, he can't stay open much longer with those numbers​
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Hi there,
I play on the Westside at the Rack & Roll, they still smoke over there. I've heard a hundred stories on it to, they're still working out the law language, who will enforce it, HOW they'll enforce it, my God...like there's not ENOUGH crime out there they can focus on. Maybe they should get get a J.E.R.K. line for the outlaw smokers like the Bengals do..hehehe.

I agree there is a REEEEEAALLLY low number of pool halls around, they're dying. The perception of the game is at an all time low. Non-pool players have nothing but negative things to say about it, smoking & drinking come up the most & that doesn't help, but these are the guys who keep our pool halls running. It's so sad.
Take care.
 
I hate to see what it is doing to the pool halls a lot of them have closed up.I quit smoking when the law first passed.I started smoking again about a two weeks ago.I just can't seem to play pool and not smoke.I don't mind going out side to smoke but it makes it hard to play for a few hours.The owner of the business should have the right to let people smoke or not but that is just my opinion.You would think if they were going to make the law they would have had a way to enforce it.
 
Posted by Rus Chewning
Blah blah blah, reh reh.
Cute.

Here's the point. If the government steps in and puts ALL businesses on equal ground, then that benefits ALL consumers, non-smoking and smoking. They are then free to choose businesses based on things such as customer service quality, ambience, food quality, etc.
Yes, I'm free too choose, but the business owners are not. That's my beef with our local govt'. Unless, of course, your Churchill Downs, where the smoking ban is null and void.

As it is, there may be 3 places to play pool within 5 miles of a non-smoker's house. They may all be smoking optional. Now, the non-smoker may have to travel an additional 5 to 10 miles to find a place to play.
At least he doesn't have to place his drink/food order outside in the cold rain.

All because you think the government asking you to step outside and smoke is somehow a violation of your "right".
No, it's a violation of the business owners "right". Apparently I wasn't clear enough in my original post.

You know your self absorption does not surprise me. Many studies have been done that show smokers are less likely to bus their own trays at McDonald's, less likely to hold the door open for someone, less likely to let a car in in heavy traffic.
I was enjoying our conversation until this remark. So these studies prove that smokers are lazy and inconsiderate...wow...I call bullsh*t on this one. Until you come up with some factual evidence about these "studies", I'm taking this as your opinion. But thanks for letting everyone know how you really feel about smokers. Oh, by the way, smokers don't eat McDonalds, it's bad for their health.:D

Is it the smoking that makes a lot of people totally discount the feelings of their fellow man, or is it that antisocial people are drawn to smoking?
Russ....it's neither. People are drawn to smoking because it's cool. Seriously though, you can't judge a man on whether he smokes or not, I know a lot of non-smokers who are lazy, inconsiderate asshats. I think we both agree smoking is a nasty habit and it's time for non-smokers to be able to get a drink or shoot a game of pool without breathing secondhand smoke and smelling like an ashtray. IMO it's the business owners decision, not the local govt'. Believe it or not Russ, there are considerate smokers out there.

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Sorry, I already ate.
Mike
 
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asshats
that's a great word :D
i'm going to use that for one special person i know ​
 
i knew this kind of rhetoric would start

The point is, statewide smoking bans are good for business. No smoker is going to quit going to pool halls, bars, etc because they can't smoke inside the business. But, non-smokers will.

explain this to me
where are all the non-smokers at the poolhalls that are now closing because there is NO ONE there ???
they got thier wish, smoke free poolrooms, and they haven't shown up
anyone here from columbus ohio??
how many poolhalls closed last year after the smoking ban went into effect???
geeezzzzz, where are all the non-smoking poolplayers when we need them ??
if this keeps up there won't be any poolhalls , period
 
Russ Chewning said:
One simple question though.. Who is looking out for the rights of non smokers?

And don't give me that crap about how the government is infringing on the rights of smokers. No one is telling you you can't smoke. They are just telling you that you will not be allowed to smell up businesses that non-smokers may frequent. You are perfectly free to go outside and smoke.

Tell me.. Why is it that a lot of smokers believe other people should have to adjust to their filthy habit?

The point is, statewide smoking bans are good for business. No smoker is going to quit going to pool halls, bars, etc because they can't smoke inside the business. But, non-smokers will.

No one feels sorry for you. It's your habit. The government has every right to ensure that you do not pollute everyone else's breathing space in a business.

Russ
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I'm in Maryland and the smoking bans have been on a county by county basis.

The pool room where I play has been non-smoking for just over a year and it is busier now than it ever was before the ban. Many non-smokers, who never came in before, are frequent customers. The smokers still come and just step outside for a smoke.

For years, the smokers were in the majority and non-smokers had to deal with the smoke everywhere. Now, the non-smokers are in the majority and all the smokers are crying about the smoking bans. They will just have to deal with it. The smoking bans would not have been passed, if the non-smokers were not in the majority.
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cardsfan[COLOR="Red" said:
I was enjoying our conversation until this remark. So these studies prove that smokers are lazy and inconsiderate...wow...I call bullsh*t on this one. Until you come up with some factual evidence about these "studies", I'm taking this as your opinion. But thanks for letting everyone know how you really feel about smokers. Oh, by the way, smokers don't eat McDonalds, it's bad for their health.:D
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http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/10961/1066/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=953376&dopt=Abstract

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=9376772&dopt=Abstract
(This one is most entertaining. Shows current and ex-smokers to be more prone to being psychotic. :D )

http://www.tturc.uci.edu/media/pr-200402.html
(This one shows that persons with a hostile personality are more likely to become addicted to nicotine.)

http://www.une.edu.au/news/archives/000516.html
(Smokers tend to be more disagreeable, less conscientious and more neurotic than non-smokers, making it difficult to treat them for their addiction, a University of New England study has found.)

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=30806

http://www.physorg.com/news94367483.html
(In a study of U.S. Navy service women, Regular smokers were significantly more likely than non-smokers to be discharged for medical reasons, bad behaviour, misconduct, including drug misuse, and personality disorders.)

Yo man, lemme know if you need more. This was from Google results 1 - 50 of about 710,000 English pages.. :D

Gosh gollee gee. Validation is good, eh?

Russ
 
BHQ said:
i knew this kind of rhetoric would start

The point is, statewide smoking bans are good for business. No smoker is going to quit going to pool halls, bars, etc because they can't smoke inside the business. But, non-smokers will.

explain this to me
where are all the non-smokers at the poolhalls that are now closing because there is NO ONE there ???
they got thier wish, smoke free poolrooms, and they haven't shown up
anyone here from columbus ohio??
how many poolhalls closed last year after the smoking ban went into effect???
geeezzzzz, where are all the non-smoking poolplayers when we need them ??
if this keeps up there won't be any poolhalls , period
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See Rich R.'s post. :D :D :D :D :D :D

Russ
 
Russ Chewning said:
See Rich R.'s post. :D :D :D :D :D :D

Russ
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it would be nice to get some input from room owners
the few that i know around cincy have complained about this since way before it passed and according to them, thier fears have become reality or will very shortly
 
In many cases, like here in Arizona, the "government" didn't pass the new smoking ban. The people passed it when they voted on it. Why do people continue to blame the government? :confused:

What really cracks me up is when I hear someone complaining about the smoking ban (and other poll results) and I ask them, "which way did you vote on that?" You already know the punchline ... they didn't vote. :)
 
Here in Germany it is forbidden to smoke during league matches and official tournaments.
We want to be an olympic sport, then we have to behave like sportsmen.
Ever seen a NFL-quarterback having a smoke when the defense is on the pitch? Or some NASCAR-guy smoking before the start (don't come up with Dick Trickle...)

I - as a heavy smoker - have to say that I really like it to play without all the smoke.
Normally you can smoke in the bar area and especially in straight pool the players have a cigarette during their match, but far away from the table.
I played a tournament last week were smoking was strictly forbidden in the whole room and it was probably the best atmosphere I've ever played at.

In my club smoking is forbidden during youth practice and I hope we can pull it through to ban it completely. Think about the people wearing contact lenses. It's a pain in the ... for them with the smoke
 
Great Answer!!!!!

tommy84 said:
Here in Germany it is forbidden to smoke during league matches and official tournaments.
We want to be an olympic sport, then we have to behave like sportsmen.
Ever seen a NFL-quarterback having a smoke when the defense is on the pitch? Or some NASCAR-guy smoking before the start (don't come up with Dick Trickle...)

I - as a heavy smoker - have to say that I really like it to play without all the smoke.
Normally you can smoke in the bar area and especially in straight pool the players have a cigarette during their match, but far away from the table.
I played a tournament last week were smoking was strictly forbidden in the whole room and it was probably the best atmosphere I've ever played at.

In my club smoking is forbidden during youth practice and I hope we can pull it through to ban it completely. Think about the people wearing contact lenses. It's a pain in the ... for them with the smoke
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Tap Tap!!!! :p
 
Thanks for some sanity Rich!...

Rich R. said:
I'm in Maryland and the smoking bans have been on a county by county basis.

The pool room where I play has been non-smoking for just over a year and it is busier now than it ever was before the ban. Many non-smokers, who never came in before, are frequent customers. The smokers still come and just step outside for a smoke.

For years, the smokers were in the majority and non-smokers had to deal with the smoke everywhere. Now, the non-smokers are in the majority and all the smokers are crying about the smoking bans. They will just have to deal with it. The smoking bans would not have been passed, if the non-smokers were not in the majority.
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Let me add to this, If a smoker is so attached ( more accurately ADDICTED!!!) to this vice that is slowly killing them that they are upset / offended to have to step outside for a moment in order to partake of their self induced poison they really need to take a moment to self evaluate their life decisions !
 
alstl said:
Columbia, MO recently passed a smoking ban and I was in a pool hall there about a month ago. The place was packed, I had to turn sideways to squeeze through the crowd. The smoking ban hasn't hurt them, perhaps because they also serve food.
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It kind of seems that way to me too, but the guy who owns Rack & Roll and Columbia Billiards, the two main pool halls in Columbia, told me that business has dropped off so much at his downtown location that he's afraid he might have to turn the business into something other than a pool hall. He definitely blames the smoking ban for the decline in patronage, and he said that they are trying to get it overturned.

Aaron
 
Smoking in the Pool Hall's and Bars is still legal here in Florida, as long as the main revenue of the establishment is not from food sales.

Just the other day I passed by one of the local Pool hall's and it said on the sign, "Smokers Welcome".

The Flamingo bar where I play, has signs on the doors that say it is a Smoking bar.

The Smoke is pretty thick on the busy nights when the pool leauge is playing or on Friday & Saturday nights.

I am a non smoker and it does not bother me, my cue case gets pretty smokey smelling so I will clean it with 409 after I get home and let it air out. I throw my clothes in the washer and hit the shower as soon as I get home.

So it has not had any effect in this area....yet.:)
 
It's on the internet...it must be true.

RussChewning
http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/10961/1066/
Eh...typical fodder. "Both studies conclude that smoking might not be the prime reason for poor job performance, but may underlie other personality characteristics such as increased risk-taking and non-conformity and other socioeconomic factors such as lower incomes and being less educated." They never state what the prime reason was, do they Russ? Slanted facts spun for their own gain. Typical.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=953376&dopt=Abstract
Eh...The Study was done in 1976, the times were a little different. Back then, you could send a child into the store to buy a pack of smokes, smoke in hospitals, airplanes, and all office buildings. Smoking was mainstream, hell yea 16 year old kids were doing it. The "extroverts were more likely to smoke than introverts". No kidding, because it was socially "cool". Why doesn't the study talk about ADD? Oh yea, it wasn't as mainstream as smoking.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=9376772&dopt=Abstract
(This one is most entertaining. Shows current and ex-smokers to be more prone to being psychotic. :D )
I suggest you go take logic 101. Smoking nicotine doesn't make you psychotic. But being psychotic makes you more prone to nicotine. Hasty gerneralization. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasty_generalization

http://www.tturc.uci.edu/media/pr-200402.html
(This one shows that persons with a hostile personality are more likely to become addicted to nicotine.)
" study suggest that the brains of hostile people are more likely to be stimulated by nicotine" No shit.

http://www.une.edu.au/news/archives/000516.html
(Smokers tend to be more disagreeable, less conscientious and more neurotic than non-smokers, making it difficult to treat them for their addiction, a University of New England study has found.)
BECAUSE IT'S AN ADDICTION. But Crack heads are the most conscientious and mild mannered of all addicts.WTF?

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=30806
"UCI study reveals why some people may be 'born to smoke'" Smoking is a "social choice", it's not mandatory that everyone try it.

http://www.physorg.com/news94367483.html
(In a study of U.S. Navy service women, Regular smokers were significantly more likely than non-smokers to be discharged for medical reasons, bad behaviour, misconduct, including drug misuse, and personality disorders.)
The findings are based on an analysis of the career progression of almost 5,500 women entering the US Navy over a period of 12 months between 1996 and 1997. Wow, that's a long study, gee I wonder why they stopped?

Yo man, lemme know if you need more. This was from Google results 1 - 50 of about 710,000 English pages.. :D
While your at it, don't forget to try FoxNews.

Gosh gollee gee. Validation is good, eh?
If believing everything you read makes you "feel validated", go for it.

Russ<––––Thinks nicotine makes you lazy and psychotic.
 
This argument has been discussed to death

BHQ said:
it would be nice to get some input from room owners
the few that i know around cincy have complained about this since way before it passed and according to them, thier fears have become reality or will very shortly
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But as a room owner I will respond again for the umpteenth time. Check out all the rhetoric in the hundreds of prior threads on this subject. But I will put you in your place because you are so wrong it is becoming an embarassment for you.
I could make a lot of points in favor of non smoking over a smoking room as I owned one for 30 years that had to go no smoking and I was a heavy smoker but I do not think you have enough common sense to accept them.
Pool rooms are not going out of business because of non smoking. If a pool room cannot increase business because of this law they are not doing the right things. The bottom line is 75 percent of the nation does not smoke. If you cannot replace most smokers with non smokers based on that disparity you do not deserve to stay in business.
You are trying to say only smokers can support a business. That is hogwash.
The real problem is that pool is in a downward spiral in some parts of the country. Wake up and smell the roses my man.
 
That is Arizona

Jimmy M. said:
In many cases, like here in Arizona, the "government" didn't pass the new smoking ban. The people passed it when they voted on it. Why do people continue to blame the government? :confused:

What really cracks me up is when I hear someone complaining about the smoking ban (and other poll results) and I ask them, "which way did you vote on that?" You already know the punchline ... they didn't vote. :)
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The people in Calif. voted down the smoking bans originally but then the Govt. found another way. They decided to pass a law for all employees for their health and safety. That is how the smoking ban came into effect in most states. For the protection of employees not the customers.
 
nfty9er said:
But as a room owner I will respond again for the umpteenth time. Check out all the rhetoric in the hundreds of prior threads on this subject. But I will put you in your place because you are so wrong it is becoming an embarassment for you.
I could make a lot of points in favor of non smoking over a smoking room as I owned one for 30 years that had to go no smoking and I was a heavy smoker but I do not think you have enough common sense to accept them.
Pool rooms are not going out of business because of non smoking. If a pool room cannot increase business because of this law they are not doing the right things. The bottom line is 75 percent of the nation does not smoke. If you cannot replace most smokers with non smokers based on that disparity you do not deserve to stay in business.
You are trying to say only smokers can support a business. That is hogwash.
The real problem is that pool is in a downward spiral in some parts of the country. Wake up and smell the roses my man.
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Dude. He related what he'd heard from room owners in his area. Your response is WAY out of line.
 
Dude

ScottW said:
Dude. He related what he'd heard from room owners in his area. Your response is WAY out of line.
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Stick it in your ear. As a room owner it is not out of line. Read his rant in his first post on this subject. Those room owners are complaining, as I did but what they need is patience and new customers. Now go take a chill pill.
 
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