Smoking Ban-Pool Room 1st Business Busted

Here in Az we passed a statewide smoking ban that was to go into effect May 1st, but there are now rumors that it is going to be repealled before it has even had a chance to start. I hope the ban sticks. Well over 80% of us Arizonans do not smoke, and many of us are excited to no longer be subjected to second hand smoke everywhere we go, especially in the workplace.

Here's a quick semi-related story.

A single mother I know, who has never smoked, has worked as a bartender in a local bar for almost 20 years. She was recently diagnosed with esophogeal (sp?) cancer. Upon her doctors advice, she decided that she should look for a job in a non-smoking atmosphere. Due to her limited skillset, the only jobs she could find that would offer pay anywhere close to what she was earning, are also in smoking environments. Due to inadequate health insurance, her savings are now depleted. So what should she do? Should she further endanger her life, and risk a cancer relapse, or should she file bankruptcy, go on wellfare, and work a min. wage job? To add insult to injury, her employer forced her to wear a button at work that was against the smoking ban proposition prior to the recent elections.

I understand not wanting the gov to interfere with small business, and I understand that people have the choice to not frequent smoking establishments for their entertainment, but there are many people who do not have much of a choice about smoking in the workplace, and they need to be protected. According to the research I have done, the only businesses who have had any long term negative effects due to a smoking ban, were on the border of the ban area, and within a few miles of an area without a ban. While this is unfair, and I really do feel for those business owners, I am still a supporter of the smoking ban.
 
Smoking bans ...

I am so happy New Jersey instituted their ban on smoking in public places. The room I most often frequent used to leave EVERYTHING reeking of cigarette smoke, yes they have air filters. Now the ban is in effect, everything is so much more pleasant. No stale smoke smell on your clothes. No dry burning eyes from too much cigarette smoke that always follows you no matter where you move. Businesses have started to adjust just fine since it began. Casinos are now being included in the ban too.
 
I've had this discussion with a co-worker of mine, and even though he stopped smoking a while ago, he is against the Govt, banning smoking. Because he think's it's crazy/infringes on what you do in your personal life.

His theory is that if you dont like smelling like smoke or dont want to be around smoke, well DONT go there, or GO somewhere else that doesnt have any smoking allowed.

And I came back with, well there is no place that is totally no smoking, even if a restaurant or business has a non-smoking section you still end up smelling like smoke. And if you have two business's and one is no smoking at all and the other allow's smoking, which is going to have more business? The one that cater's to everyone.

Untill, a State has a smoking ban in a public business's or building's, nobody is going to open a no smoking business, Expecially a pool hall.

Now on the flip side, If I was opening a pool hall and had money to spend, I'd have a special section for smokers, and have it totally enclosed, from the rest of the building with no ventilation lol, so the smoke would just linger, and you couldnt see in the room.

The one thing I havent figured out and maybe it's just the poolhall's I've been to, but I see people turn on the Smoke Eater's, but, if the place just had ventilation shafts, with HUGE fans blowing the smoke out, and have other fans, blowing in fresh air, wouldnt that be better? then atleast you'd have fresh air constantly comming into the building.

But anyways, I dont smoke, and I personally hate leaving the poolhall smelling like smoke too.
 
Seriously agree!

Luxury said:
The smoking ban was the best thing that ever happend to the state of Washington. Now we can all live longer and play more pool for more years!
It's sad so many are in denial about their addiction to this nasty and dangerous habit! :( if you read some of their responses to these anti smoking laws and the post about them you would think someone wanted to take their first child away instead of their abstaining for a hour or two from killing themselves so others may stay healthy!!!! :eek:
 
its good when I can buy cigarettes in a pool hall and smoke there. A lot of people do. Even put the cigarette on the rail......even better sometimes is when I spill my potato chips after drinking too much beer. I don't why people who don't want to smoke should take over. Perhaps they should stay in church where its quieter....There is airconditioning or fresh air anyway when a windows open or when the door opens, isn't there. I mean if you can't get used to pollution how can you live a modern life....:cool:
 
desert1pocket said:
Here in Az we passed a statewide smoking ban that was to go into effect May 1st, but there are now rumors that it is going to be repealled before it has even had a chance to start. I hope the ban sticks. Well over 80% of us Arizonans do not smoke, and many of us are excited to no longer be subjected to second hand smoke everywhere we go, especially in the workplace.

I'd be surprised if this were to happen. This isn't a city ordinance that was passed by some city counsel. This is a proposition that made it to our ballot and the voting citizens of Arizona passed it. I'm not sure what could be done to negate poll results. Does this mean that I can b*tch, b*tch, b*tch and overturn the results of other propositions? Hmm, I wonder if I can b*tch, b*tch, b*tch and get the 2000 Presidential Election reversed. :)
 
It's good there are smoking bans BUT the smokers should be the one's mainly arrested NOT the pool room owners..i have seen people trying to sneak a smoke in the place and put their ashes on the floor..the smoking smell stinks up the place plus they are making a mess..also there are those in cold weather that have to open a door half way and leave cold air in the place while they get their smoke...
 
Jimmy M. said:
I'd be surprised if this were to happen. This isn't a city ordinance that was passed by some city counsel. This is a proposition that made it to our ballot and the voting citizens of Arizona passed it. I'm not sure what could be done to negate poll results. Does this mean that I can b*tch, b*tch, b*tch and overturn the results of other propositions? Hmm, I wonder if I can b*tch, b*tch, b*tch and get the 2000 Presidential Election reversed. :)

I don't think the ban will be repealled either, but it could be if a judge determines that it violates constitutional law, which is what the current argument is. I have to suspect that this push may be somehow tied to tobacco companies. I don't see how else this group of small bar owners could get organized enough and well funded enough to be doing this on their own.
 
despotic931 said:
I personally would drive double the distance that I drive to my current pool hall to go to a smoke free pool hall. Unfortunatly thats not even an option to me, there are only two halls that are in driving distance that I know of, and both are filled with clouds of smoke. I wish I could sneak off and play pool without the lady friend knowing, but thats not even an option because I return smelling so badly of smoke. :o

Partner,
If you have to "sneak off" from your "lady friend" to play pool.....finding a smoke-free pool room is the least of your problems.:eek:
 
gregoryg said:
I am so happy New Jersey instituted their ban on smoking in public places. The room I most often frequent used to leave EVERYTHING reeking of cigarette smoke, yes they have air filters. Now the ban is in effect, everything is so much more pleasant. No stale smoke smell on your clothes. No dry burning eyes from too much cigarette smoke that always follows you no matter where you move. Businesses have started to adjust just fine since it began. Casinos are now being included in the ban too.

I don't think casinos will be included. Why? $$$$$$. The LAST thing a casino whats you to do is "step outside for a minute" You might actually think about the money you are losing, or go to another casino, or take your winnings and go, or think about the amount of time you have been there. Have you every noticed that a casino has NO windows, or clocks. They want you inside and captive.
 
Fleece3 said:
I don't think casinos will be included. Why? $$$$$$. The LAST thing a casino whats you to do is "step outside for a minute" You might actually think about the money you are losing, or go to another casino, or take your winnings and go, or think about the amount of time you have been there. Have you every noticed that a casino has NO windows, or clocks. They want you inside and captive.
That's very true..the large casinos have the special air filtering systems.
 
Tongue in cheek, You Need To Get Out More

Fleece3 said:
I don't think casinos will be included. Why? $$$$$$. The LAST thing a casino whats you to do is "step outside for a minute" You might actually think about the money you are losing, or go to another casino, or take your winnings and go, or think about the amount of time you have been there. Have you every noticed that a casino has NO windows, or clocks. They want you inside and captive.

I don't mean to rag on you but both your points are wrong or partially wrong.
Nevada has banned smoking in all areas of casinos except the casino floor. So it has happened to a certain extent. So money still talks to a certain extent. Now I have not been to Atlantic City but in all the years I have gone to Vegas and Reno, every casino I can think of has windows galore.
Most are surrounded by windows so people can see in. And I am talking massive windows, so I do not know where you come up with that.
The clocks I agree on but this all comes down to perception. The casino floors are so big that when you are gaming it is harder to see windows and clocks. Play near doors and you will. In the summer the windows are even moveable so that the entrances are open air, (no windows. lol) so you can see and hear the action.
 
Washington State Smoking ban

I can't begin to imagine how much money I've saved just because I don't have to wash my clothes every time I come home from shooting on one of the local bar boxes. I stop playing league play two years ago because of the way I smelled (I think it was me, could have been my stroke). Started back up this year because of the new law.
They claimed every bar would go out of business when they enacted the ban...guess what... Business as usual (I don't own a bar so this is just supposition based on observation). Apparenly it is easier to smoke outside than it is to give up drinking and carrying on.
I don't like government dictating my (or anyone's) health or morals but in this instance I have to admit I am a lucky beneficiary of their meddlesome interference.
 
For the room owners:

I make a ninety minute drive (each way) to play in a non-smoking room. While I like the room I drive to, I welcome the day when we have a local ordinance making all of the several local rooms non-smoking.

Good Rolls,
Rasta
 
I was in Booches a week ago, Columbia MO. The city recently passed a smoking ban and Booches was so crowded that I literally had to turn sideways just to squeeze my way through the crowd so I could order a burger and get a table. The smoking ban certainly doesn't seem to have hurt their business.
 
desert1pocket said:
I don't think the ban will be repealled either, but it could be if a judge determines that it violates constitutional law, which is what the current argument is. I have to suspect that this push may be somehow tied to tobacco companies. I don't see how else this group of small bar owners could get organized enough and well funded enough to be doing this on their own.

I'm sure the opponents of the ban are attempting to do what they can. The early bans in cities like Mesa didn't stick because they had the "private club" loophole. When the newer city-wide bans went into effect, such as in Tempe, opponents of the bans had no luck in getting around them. I don't know if you remember this or not (or if you lived in AZ at the time? :)), but Clicks Billiards did try to use the "unconstitutional" argument in a lawsuit, but the case was dismissed because a judge ruled that the ban "easily passed constitutional muster". Here's a link to the story: http://no-smoking.org/july03/07-24-03-3.html
 
nfty9er said:
I don't mean to rag on you but both your points are wrong or partially wrong.
Nevada has banned smoking in all areas of casinos except the casino floor. So it has happened to a certain extent. So money still talks to a certain extent. Now I have not been to Atlantic City but in all the years I have gone to Vegas and Reno, every casino I can think of has windows galore.
Most are surrounded by windows so people can see in. And I am talking massive windows, so I do not know where you come up with that.
The clocks I agree on but this all comes down to perception. The casino floors are so big that when you are gaming it is harder to see windows and clocks. Play near doors and you will. In the summer the windows are even moveable so that the entrances are open air, (no windows. lol) so you can see and hear the action.

Sir.....THE CASINO FLOOR IS WHERE THEY WANT YOU CAPTIVE!!! I am NOT speaking of the entire building. Just where the gambling is taking place. They don't care if you walk out af the resturant or gift shop! That is NOT where they make money. And the window are TO THE BUILDING, NOT the casino floor. They make damn sure you can't see out. Lest you notice that the sun is coming up and you have been gambling all night.

Here is a link to the gamling room at the Borgata in AC...Find a window..

www.glennrieder.com/images/gallery_large_borgata_6.jpg
 
alstl said:
I was in Booches a week ago, Columbia MO. The city recently passed a smoking ban and Booches was so crowded that I literally had to turn sideways just to squeeze my way through the crowd so I could order a burger and get a table. The smoking ban certainly doesn't seem to have hurt their business.

The smoke free room I like to play in is not under any legal obligation to prohibit smoking (AFAIK). The owner is just intelligent enough to understand that it is a good business decision, due to non-smokers being a large enough market to make it work. I see a lot more families in that room than any smoking room in which I've ever been.

The smokers are still welcome, and show up regularly, but they have to go outside to smoke.

Good Rolls,
Rasta
 
Rasta said:
The smoke free room I like to play in is not under any legal obligation to prohibit smoking (AFAIK). The owner is just intelligent enough to understand that it is a good business decision, due to non-smokers being a large enough market to make it work. I see a lot more families in that room than any smoking room in which I've ever been.

The smokers are still welcome, and show up regularly, but they have to go outside to smoke.

See, that's kinda the beauty of the state-wide (or city-wide or whatever-wide) ordinance. All the venues are treated equally.

Many folks have said "if you want to go smoke-free, nobody's stopping you" as far as an individual venue owner's options/choices go. Trick is, if there's another option for the smokers, many of'em will take it. If there are two pool rooms and one goes smoke-free, many of the smoking customers will take their business to the other room. The smoke-free room will definitely suffer. It would be business suicide to make that choice.

When both rooms are smoke-free, due to local/state ordinance - and the smokers can still step outside for their fix - then the playing field is kept even, and those folks will still go to the venue they prefer. Nothing changes, except more non-smokers are inclined to come out to these venues.

Colorado's statewide smoking ban went into effect about nine months ago, and I still see the same smoker crowds in the same places. They may not be overjoyed at the prospect of having to step outside to smoke - there's grumbling here and there - but they're THERE, at the venues. I have yet to hear of a single pool room shutting down due to the smoking ban. And I'd bet that some of'em are doing better now because of it, with more non-smoking customers coming in more often.

The big trick with smoking/non-smoking is, non-smokers have to deal with various things when hanging around smokers. Second hand smoke. Hazy atmosphere. Clothes smelling like ashtrays. The reverse is completely different - non-smokers don't impact smokers in any way, as far as proximity goes.
 
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