Sneaky Pete Cues ……

I always wanted a butterfly or recut or double splice thing he does. Not sure if he takes orders anymore he didn't reply to an email I sent a few yrs ago
 
Well, by coincidence I just finished modifying this mid-late 80’s Meucci
sneaky tonight with a new butt.

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Ok I know I am replying to my own post, but this cue performed so well tonight. I really enjoyed playing with it. A guy actually offered me $300 and then $400 for this cue. Tempting…. He’s a friend so we’ll see.

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Ok I know I am replying to my own post but this cue played so well tonight. I really enjoyed playing with it. A guy actually offered me $300 and then $400 for this cue. Tempting…. He’s a friend so we’ll see.

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I posted earlier about my first impression of this cue which was it’s just darn pretty.
Unless you intend to build yourself another or different cue, I think you should keep it.

It’s something you made, the cue is being praised & for what it’s worth, I’m one heck of
a fussy type when it comes to pool cue designs and cue makers. You made a great cue.
 
Schon did this with highly limited model runs. They did not appreciate 10x in value.

Scruggs values matured because people are stupid. Every guy who buys one ends up selling it 3 months later. Surely not because it is the best playing cue ever.
I've only clicked on 2 threads today and in both of them you have made some incredibly ignorant comments. What is your malfunction?
 
I posted earlier about my first impression of this cue which was it’s just darn pretty.
Unless you intend to build yourself another or different cue, I think you should keep it.

It’s something you made, the cue is being praised & for what it’s worth, I’m one heck of
a fussy type when it comes to pool cue designs and cue makers. You made a great cue.
Thanks again. No real plans to get rid of it. I just thought it was funny. I know I would be telling my story of regret in a future post if I let it go.
 
How much would you pay for a SP cue that was brand new and built with the specs you wanted?

How many cue makers would want to launch a SP cue project in 2023 with only a limited # of cues?



I think it would be cool to see a SP cue project on Az like the days bygone. The tribute cues that Dean
promoted were entertaining and interesting to follow on Az. Why not a stepped down version with SP
cues? Heck, if Schmelke Cues wanted to offer this with a limited run, their SP cues are so inexpensive
what could they build in the way of a SP cue for $400-$500? Is there a cue maker out there that wants
to garner some attention, IMO, this is an easy way to accomplish that and also make a little money too.

So how much would you spend, assuming this appealed to you, for a SP cue built to your specs, i.e.,
butt weight and shafts? If this were to actually happen, what number of SP cues should be in a limited
production run? Keep in mind it has to be worth a individual cue maker’s time. So maybe 12, 25 or even
50 SP cues (one for every state) released in two series of 25 each. If the 1st series wasn’t a big hit, the 2nd
series wouldn’t ever happen. But if the first one was popular, then let people who missed out get another
chance at getting a limited edition SP cue. It’s important that the project have a finite number of pool cues.

Where are all the ambitious cue makers that might want to undertake this? Years from now when I am not
around, these cues will still exist and people will ask…..Hey, where’d you get a Garten Bierbower SP cue,
or maybe Eddie Cohen? Like I originally posted, I wish I had done this when my pal, Jerry Rauenzahn, was
still active. This would have been a fun project but the cues likely would have been more like at least a grand,
and likely more. It was because the 360 design was the SP cue design we were discussing instead of points.
So I think the market is changing.

I think a better option would be trying new technology in a basic or hustler cue. I know BB grip technology is what a lot of people want. Now Mike Lambros is doing something similar.

So I think instead of a big name doing just a sneaky Pete, pack the hustler cue with the latest technology (reversed taper cue butt and next generation LD shaft).

If a big name did a limited run on something like that, than 1500-2000 for a hustler cue would probably be the price point. (Still to rich for me)

Just my opinion
 
Schon did this with highly limited model runs. They did not appreciate 10x in value.

Scruggs values matured because people are stupid. Every guy who buys one ends up selling it 3 months later. Surely not because it is the best playing cue ever.
This one to start.
 
This one to start.
If you don't see TS cues getting flipped for more each time they get sold, with the same cue going through 5+ owners a year as "stupid", then I don't know what to tell you. Sorry that market behaviors hurt your feelings.

Tim jammed pins into Schmelke blanks for guys to have something to pass the time, but people are valuing them even higher than actual cues he built in some cases.

That's the truly ignorant part
 
I visited the Schmelke website and for under $400, I could order a SP cue butt in Cocobolo
and a cue shaft diameter I want and also a 2nd shaft (Kielwood LD) for less than $400. Gosh,
that sounds like the way to go if Schmelke SP cues play as well as already been noted.

The few Schmelke cues I have tried have been hit or miss. A cue made from a Schmelke blank by Joe Callaluca I have is great, but I played with a few Schmelke cues they built and either did not like the hit or the fit and finish on them much. For the price, they are worth the price, I think, but I would not call them a bargain. I would pay 100 or 200 more to get a bit better final result. The quality on paper is good, US made, custom build, lots of options but the quality in your hand is normal for the price, at least from the experience I have with maybe 3 of them, not counting the cue made with their blank. Hope you guys get what I mean, they are not bad cues, but they are also not a super bargain if you look at the details.

I think the last true good bargain there was when Predator had their original sneaky line with a shaft for not much money and the Players HXT (PureX) line when many of them were under $200 including a decent LD shaft and a Kamui Black tip. Right now, I think the PureX Players line is at a "normal" price for what it is since they went up by like %30 - 50%. $200 cue with LD shaft and Kamui tip, bargain, that cue at $250, bit harder to recommend as a bargain. A friend of mine bought this cue for $170 maybe 6 years ago, sold it for $190 used, it's now $275 https://www.billiardwarehouse.com/cues/players/players_hxt90.htm
 
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I visited the Schmelke website and for under $400, I could order a SP cue butt in Cocobolo
and a cue shaft diameter I want and also a 2nd shaft (Kielwood LD) for less than $400. Gosh,
that sounds like the way to go if Schmelke SP cues play as well as already been noted.
I have three Schmelke SPs (some are visible to the left of the rack in post 59 above). Each has a different shaft taper that was an option some years back when I ordered them (standard, pro-taper, extended-pro-taper). Didn't see that order option when looking just now, but if you call them I suspect they would accommodate a request. Personally I find the standard taper a bit stiff, but it makes a good break cue. I can play nicely with the pro-taper but the extended-pro-taper I find a bit soft. YMMV

Dave
 
I have three Schmelke SPs (some are visible to the left of the rack in post 59 above). Each has a different shaft taper that was an option some years back when I ordered them (standard, pro-taper, extended-pro-taper). Didn't see that order option when looking just now, but if you call them I suspect they would accommodate a request. Personally I find the standard taper a bit stiff, but it makes a good break cue. I can play nicely with the pro-taper but the extended-pro-taper I find a bit soft. YMMV

Dave
Dave, howdy;

When I ordered the shaft for the older Mueller. I did it by phone, asked for the Pro taper,
had a 1/2" Tomahawk ferrule and a Triangle tip installed. Gave them the joint diameter. 2
weeks later I had a new shaft. Couldn't ask for anything better. Plays well and I also use it
as a break cue as well.

hank
 
Fellow sneaky addict here. More correctly stated, lover of high end yet humble full splice cues. I love the way they play and how they look. Call me non traditional, but I also think they look slick with black CF shafts. I also wish more makers offered them, but from what I understand, full splices are a bit of a dying art form and very time consuming.

Since I’m among fellow addicts here, I’ll indulge in some show & tell…

Left to right…

Daily players
  • Davis/Prince purpleheart into straight grain maple, all ivory
  • Bill McDaniels MacAttack, Brazilian Rosewood into stained BEM
High end home table queens
  • Dzuriky custom, MVP blank, my design. Purpleheart into fiddleback maple, 5 veneers. CB resin & Juma
  • Tascarella custom, Gabon Ebony into curly maple, 4 veneers, all ivory
Semi Pure Sneaky’s
  • Tim Scruggs, 90’s
  • Lil Al Romero, 90’s
  • Dufferin Silverleaf Ebony Butterfly
  • Action, cheap Chinese production cue
Vintage full splices (all 100% original, straight and play great)
  • 1890’s white label BW, cork wrap
  • 1920’s BW model 26-1/2 MOP wedge & ivory conversion, ebony spliced shaft
  • 1920’s BW model 26-1/2 Ebony 1-pc
  • 1940’s BW Willie Hoppe Titlist, Brazilian Rosewood 1-pc
  • 1940’s BW WH Pro, Paduak & ivory
  • 1950’s BW WH Titlist, basic Walnut

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There is an amateur cue builder here in Colorado that finds house cues with good looking wood and adds a joint,pin and sometimes some rings and a new finish that play great and sells them for around $300.
He did convert a 100+ year old house cue that hit like a Mack truck and sold it for $400 and I passed on it.
I told the guy that bought it if he needed money I would buy the cue.
Whom are you referring to? I'm in Colorado, and I'd be very interested in having him do a conversion for me.
 
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