Snooker ROOKIE ;)

[Scaramouche]

How about take a bit of the snobbery out of your posts and I might like you a bit better?? A gentleman's game?? Show some class in that case.

Don't forget there was a time when the Brits were all very ready to welcome American input.

Scaramouche, I'm just an old hillbilly from the American Ozarks but I willl play you snooker by world rules and kick your tail.

If we could play the game would we post so much?
Pros never show up on this site.

 

[JonTravisTaylor]

How about take a bit of the snobbery out of your posts and I might like you a bit better?? A gentleman's game?? Show some class in that case.

Don't forget there was a time when the Brits were all very ready to welcome American input.

Scaramouche, I'm just an old hillbilly from the American Ozarks but I willl play you snooker by world rules and kick your tail.

My money is on Underclocked

 

[Scaramouche]

Refugees from the Mosconi Cup

My money is on Underclocked

Missouri's contribution to snooker:

A woofer

and his cheerleader

 

[JonTravisTaylor]

Unfortunately I don't know Underclocked...but I do know some of the players he has beaten and that is enough for me....you don't run MULTIPLE centuries without some skills...regardless of whether you are playing English style or American!

 

[pdcue]

Church66
To help you understand Americans:

In the U.S.A., they play the supremely complicated game - 9-Ball.

It is similar to the final red and colours of snooker, but with the added complications of:
Much smaller playing surface,
Much larger pockets (which they claim to be tight),
Markings on the rails to help distract from the proper line when playing around the rails.
A jump cue for players who flunked geometry.
Must hit a rail or sink a ball.

Improvement in 9-ball is proportional to the price of the cue.
A new more expensive cue is an excellent investment that will be repaid many times when gambling, the true competition, infinitely superior to tournaments that do not fully engage and challenge the American billiard mind.

The break in 9-ball is considered offense and players are most anxious to break, except that, statistically, it is a disadvantage.

Scoring in based on the last ball, avoiding all those complicated arithmetical calculations they failed to master when they dropped out of third grade.

Americans are so good at 9-ball that they lost the Mosconi
Cup to inferior Europeans, including failed snooker players.

In short, direct your efforts, not to enlightening Americans on the merits of snooker, but to tasks more likely to achieve success, such as converting the Taliban to Druidism.

An obvious case of penis envy.

Adult Americans mostly play One Pocket.

Wasn't the Mosconi Cup competition created by an Englishman?

Dale

 

[pdcue]

You have to bone up on the math skills if you are going to play this game. Looks to me like you are probably playing on a 5' x 10'. I think one side of this "fight" is a proponent of WPBSA approved 6' x 12' tables and the other side is familiar with the "American" version of the game played on a 5' x 10' table built to entirely different specifications. It's really apples and oranges to compare the two....different strategy, different tactics, and yes, different rules to govern game play (although, as far as I am aware, there is no "official" rulebook to govern American snooker; seems to be more of a pastime with local rules governing game play).

For anyone who believes that the 6' x 12' is not really that much bigger--the playing surface is about 44 % larger than the 5' x 10' (I wish my paycheck was 44 % larger), the pockets are a little smaller (though there is a large variation of this for either table depending on the specific venue), balls used on 6' x 12' are also a little smaller lessening the effective difference in pocket size, but, RELATIVE TO THE SIZE OF THE TABLE, the pocket openings of the 6' x 12' are only about two thirds the relative size of the 5' x 10' pockets. Anyone who has played on a 6' x 12' knows that because of pocket shape it is VERY difficult to run a ball down a rail more than about a foot or so effectively reducing one's "angle of approach" when potting balls thereby eliminating an entire repertoire of potential shots on the 6' x 12' that are available on the 5' x 10'.

All in all, different tables equal different games so it is no wonder that there is dispute as to what the rules should be. I am with tksix (Mike) on this; at least his second statement (since his first was obviously tongue in cheek).

Jon, if you are serious about learning more about this game, Scaramouche posts a ton of great links to videos to learn from the best. However, if you are playing on a 5' x 10', you probably will need to have a different perspective than what you see the pros doing on the 6' x 12's.

I'm guessing you have never seen, nor played on an American table.

Not only are the pockets smaller, the rounding of the cushions is so much
more pronounced, that potting is considerably more demanding. As an
example, potting the 7(black) off its spot with the cue ball 18 inches
away on a half-ball-hit angle, is about twice as difficult as the same
shot on an English table.

FWIW - there are "offical" rules for American Snooker. They used to be
printed in a section of the rule books. I haven't seen one in many years
though. The game is but a fading memory in all but a few areas in
this country, more's the pity.

It might be fun to see how the current top players would perform
on one of the old American 6 x 12s. Back in the glory days of the
20s - 40s the 6 x 12s were common in the bigger rooms of large
cities, as were 5 x 10 POOL tables. Them was the days.

Dale

 

[pdcue]

WhAT YOU ARE PLAYING IS CALLED POOL!!!

Those rules save you from learning how to roll up delicately to a ball to accomplish the name of the game -SNOOKER - and how to escape and reciprocate. :grin::grin::grin:

And would save your from those safety battles that turn a frame from a potting fest to an extended brawl that tax your attention span.:grin:

You can't imagine how distressing it is for me to be caught on the
same side of an argument with Renegade, but the idea that it is somehow
more difficult to lag up on a ball than to play ball-to-a-rail safties is
ludicrous.

We have players that play that way in America, they're know as CHILDREN.

Dale(driving a ball to a rail for a few decades)

 

[Scaramouche]

You can't imagine how distressing it is for me to be caught on the
same side of an argument with Renegade, but the idea that it is somehow
more difficult to lag up on a ball than to play ball-to-a-rail safties is
ludicrous.

We have players that play that way in America, they're know as CHILDREN.

Dale(driving a ball to a rail for a few decades)

Just to point out to the Christmas turkeys
No requirement to hit a rail is fundamental to snooker.
Only Americans deny it.
Think of each shot as a pushout in 9-ball except that you have to hit a ball :grin::grin::grin:
The original snooker may be a short distance shot, but what follows thereafter rarely is.
On a big table with no diamonds

Frames go from routine to a defensive brawl.

65 minutes
Neil Robertson vs Matthew Stevens
2008 Bahrain Final
Frame 13
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWywVVfGdWQ

You will never see this sort of battle in pool.

 

[pdcue]

Just to point out to the Christmas turkeys
No requirement to hit a rail is fundamental to snooker.
Only Americans deny it.
Think of each shot as a pushout in 9-ball except that you have to hit a ball :grin::grin::grin:
The original snooker may be a short distance shot, but what follows thereafter rarely is.
On a big table with no diamonds

Frames go from routine to a defensive brawl.

65 minutes
Neil Robertson vs Matthew Stevens
2008 Bahrain Final
Frame 13
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWywVVfGdWQ

You will never see this sort of battle in pool.

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No requirement to hit a rail is fundamental to snooker.

..................................................................................

As the capacity to understand written English is fundamental to communicating in that language...in writing.

I'll try one more time, using mostly, really small words.

The ball-to-a-rail requirement, as is played in the US of A, makes any
kind of safety play, including the laying of snookers, significantly more
difficult.

Whether or not that results in a "better" game - like beauty in the old
cliche, lies in the eye of the beholder.

Dale(who beholds much beauty in a well played snooker)

 

[Scaramouche]

A pushout in 9-ball requires neither contact with a rail nor contact with a ball.
A snooker shot requires contact with a ball.

A pushout in 9-ball that sinks any ball is not a foul.
A snooker shot that sinks a ball is a foul if that ball is not 'on'.

Snooker has organization, uniform rules.
American pool has chaos, which probably explains why Americans want to play a world game using made up rules,

The Brits seem to take the easy route on this game. Where I play, it's ball and a rail on every shot, just like any pool game, and no free ball rule. And no jumps shots,,,,,,,,

 

[pdcue]

A pushout in 9-ball requires neither contact with a rail nor contact with a ball.
A snooker shot requires contact with a ball.

A pushout in 9-ball that sinks any ball is not a foul.
A snooker shot that sinks a ball is a foul if that ball is not 'on'.

Snooker has organization, uniform rules.
American pool has chaos, which probably explains why Americans want to play a world game using made up rules,

It is indeed telling that you choose to fixate on the push out option
in 9 ball. The last remmanant, by the way, of a change made by
the promoters of a tournament, intended to speed up play, which
more or less ruined the game.

Why don't you do your comparisons to 14.1, a game for grown ups?

Dale(certified grown up)

 

[Scaramouche]

Why don't you do your comparisons to 14.1, a game for grown ups?

Dale(certified grown up)

I do agree that the closest pool game to snooker is 14:1 and I have Capelle's book in my library

 

[pdcue]

I do agree that the closest pool game to snooker is 14:1 and I have Capelle's book in my library

A good choice - I have Joe Davis' "Complete Snooker" in mine.

Dale

 

[Renegade_56]

You can't imagine how distressing it is for me to be caught on the
same side of an argument with Renegade, but the idea that it is somehow
more difficult to lag up on a ball than to play ball-to-a-rail safties is
ludicrous.

We have players that play that way in America, they're know as CHILDREN.

Dale(driving a ball to a rail for a few decades)

See now Dale, that wasn't so bad was it,,,,,LMAO,,,,,,,Happy Holidays to you and yours!

 

[Renegade_56]

Just to point out to the Christmas turkeys
No requirement to hit a rail is fundamental to snooker.
Only Americans deny it.
Think of each shot as a pushout in 9-ball except that you have to hit a ball :grin::grin::grin:
The original snooker may be a short distance shot, but what follows thereafter rarely is.
On a big table with no diamonds

Frames go from routine to a defensive brawl.

65 minutes
Neil Robertson vs Matthew Stevens
2008 Bahrain Final
Frame 13
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWywVVfGdWQ

You will never see this sort of battle in pool.

Since you seem to be fixated on the nine ball pushout, but may not be very familiar with it's usage,,,,,,,,it is only to protect the player after the opening break from being,"snookered" so to speak by the result of the hard break, and can only be used one time, so it's not like you can just walk up and roll a ball into a snooker situation every frame like in snooker, and besides that, the incoming player can make you shoot it, so be careful where you push,,,,,,,,,this has absolutely no relevance to the way brits play safeties,,,,, at all.

 

[Scaramouche]

Since you seem to be fixated on the nine ball pushout, but may not be very familiar with it's usage,,,,,,,,it is only to protect the player after the opening break from being,"snookered" so to speak by the result of the hard break, and can only be used one time, so it's not like you can just walk up and roll a ball into a snooker situation every frame like in snooker, and besides that, the incoming player can make you shoot it, so be careful where you push,,,,,,,,,this has absolutely no relevance to the way brits play safeties,,,,, at all.

I live in a billiard desert of a city that has only produced a World 9-ball champion and a world snooker champion.

We have this strange (to you) tendency to play the different games by their proper rules, and have no problem keeping them separated.

 

[pt109]

I live in a billiard desert of a city that has only produced a World 9-ball champion and a world snooker champion.

We have this strange (to you) tendency to play the different games by their proper rules, and have no problem keeping them separated.

You forgot to mention a World Junior 9-ball champion just a few miles away.

...but I don't agree with you about inflexible rules...
..I have played pool and snooker with many different rules....
...and some are better than others imo.

The 'free ball' rule should have been dropped after the 'shoot again' rule
was introduced ( at first only the pros used shoot-again)....
..and the 'miss' rule sucks...imo

 

[Underclocked]

What seems "proper rules" to one may be considered unethical play by another.

Since the rules you most fervently defend and cling to like a religion are already written, they must absolutely and positively be enforced without discussion as they are, without a doubt in your mind, perfection.

We mustn't offend the gods of snooker... our very lives could be at risk. :grin:

 

[Renegade_56]

I live in a billiard desert of a city that has only produced a World 9-ball champion and a world snooker champion.

We have this strange (to you) tendency to play the different games by their proper rules, and have no problem keeping them separated.

yeah, I don't care,,,,,,,,,there is still absolutely no rellevance between a pushout shot in nineball and those simpleton safeties the britts shoot,,,,,,,,I bet those world champions know this!

 

[Slh]

Scaramouche I noticed in your post you constantly denigrate pool. In every your post you say how snooker is better, how pool is easy, etc... You also fail to understand pool is different than snooker. I'm subscribed to the snookerforum.com why don't you go there? I'm subscribed in both because I appreciate both games, but you don't so why you stay here?

Edit: ops I didn't realize it was an old discussion..