so i’ve decided to make cues

soyale

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i’ve posted in this sub-forum a few times over the years, and for the MOST part have encountered friendly, helpful craftsmen that love what they do….

…. and a few gatekeeping assholes.

i’ve decided i’m going to make cues. eventually. i’ve been horsing around with what i have, which isnt much, and have had a tremendous amount of fun. i really love this stuff.

i’ve posted some of my exploits over on the Main Forum, and have decided to repost them here as a journal of sorts. i’m going to continue to post comments as i tackle new projects and learn.

hopefully this is welcome here. feel free to chime in if you like. just dont tell me i need a $2,000 lathe because that’s just not in the cards right now.

thank you all
 
i have a few tools but dont have the space or money for the lathe shop of my dreams. Right now im working on converting a drill for spinning shafts.

The rosewood came in with an 18 pin flat faced phenolic joint at 19oz on the nose with a 3.9oz shaft, with an 18” balance point. This was part of why i decided to experiment with it. The cue i had been using for 15 years had a steel joint with a 14 pin, with closer to a 20” balance point (forward weighted).

when i sent the PTO shaft back, i actually had a kielwood made for her cue by AZBs own @GBCues. It plays! I also had him plug and tap the rosewood for an extension bumper. Good, affordable work. Recommend.

David gave me a 5 week lead time so i used the keil/rosewood combo in the meantime:
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Results of the experiment: I did not like the rear weight. I did not like the rear balance. The kielwood shoots straight as an arrow but juiced the rock significantly less than my ob1+.

i decided to fiddle. i took every drill bit extension in my house and hodge podged them together. after pulling the weight bolt i used a spade bit and slowly started turning by hand to get a feel for the wood. rosewood is hard. once i had the bit set i slowly spun it on the drill about half the length of the weight bolt and then tapped threads in my new hole. I put the weight bolt back in, and measured the balance point. Unchanged. i had removed enough material to lighten up the weight but what i moved forward was not enough to offset the loss in terms of balance.

I did this back and forth for a day or so, scared to go too far. by the the time the cue hit my desired 19” balance point i had basically hollowed out half of the cue. I settled on 18.4oz, figuring half an oz wont matter much and that the change would be good for me in terms of my experimentation.

I loved it. The kielwood already resonates so nicely but when attached to a hollow piece of rosewood it rang like a bell.

You can kind of hear it in this video:



but there is no way to show yall the feeling. i am a fan of haptic feedback, and dislike stiff unresponsive cf. this felt like the opposite of that, yet insanely low squirt.

fast forward five weeks and my cue butt arrives. now i need to get the kiel to fit. some azb searches and discussions with friends led me to believe i could do it. as the rosewood used an 18 pin, i was able to use standard hardware; a bolt in the insert and two jam nuts up against it. i crumpled up foil to use as a heat shield. i used the schmelke maple shaft as practice, first, but did it to both.

I layed out the shaft and propped up my torch. couple minutes and it spun right out:
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i happened to have a 5/16-14 schmelke insert with a 7/16-14 install thread that i bought at the same time as the rosewood. i retapped the threads to clean them and then spun the insert right in. i decided to forgo the epoxy until the insert twists itself out… but it aint goin anywhere anytime soon.

the kielwood was more difficult. everything came out fine. I made a much bigger diameter on my aluminum foil heat shield this time.

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this is where things get REALLY dumb. I only had a 7/16-20 install thread self aligning insert on hand.

heres a photo of what i had next to what came out of the kiel:
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For the sake of experimenting, i decided to file and tap the insert to a fully threaded 7/16-14. I smashed the ever-loving hell out of the insert in the process. I took an old extension bumper and filed two sides flat so I could put it in my bench vice. I put a pin in the bumper and the insert on the pin.

Once secured, with a moderate amount of unsavory language and time, i was able to transform the insert into a usable one

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Some sanding and polishing and smashing got the insert back to where it looked good enough for me.

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plays like an absolute dream. the weight, balance, hit, and deflection are ALL the best of any cue i’ve ever held (which truthfully is not many), let alone a cue i own.

however now my beautiful rosewood had no shaft…. So im currently in the process of swapping the pin from a flat faced 5/16-18 to a piloted 5/16-14.

getting the pin out was easy. as per some of azbs instruction i used modeling clay to fashion a sleeve for the joint collar and then stuck it in the freezer, as well as a tshirt for good measure. Once cold, i slipped the clay over the collar and wrapped the cold shirt around the forearm and repeated my process, and it twisted right out with a pair of channel locks. I checked the collar afterward and it felt maybe slightly warmer than if left in a hot car. retapped the threads (with a 5/16-14 pin that i dremel’d cuts into to make a tap) to clean them and my new pin screws right in. epoxy recommendations are welcome.

now the scary part. best i had to pilot the hole was a bench vise and a drill press stand. not a drill press. a stand that you put a drill in. I used a 29/64ths bit and spent a good hour making adjustments until i had it as center as possible. i failed to deliver a perfectly center hole, but i intend to clean it up by hand. thats the last straw for that stand, though. ive been checking FB marketplace for a drill press.

as it sits currently:
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anyway. that’s what i’ve been up to.
 
i’ve posted in this sub-forum a few times over the years, and for the MOST part have encountered friendly, helpful craftsmen that love what they do….

…. and a few gatekeeping assholes.

i’ve decided i’m going to make cues. eventually. i’ve been horsing around with what i have, which isnt much, and have had a tremendous amount of fun. i really love this stuff.

i’ve posted some of my exploits over on the Main Forum, and have decided to repost them here as a journal of sorts. i’m going to continue to post comments as i tackle new projects and learn.

hopefully this is welcome here. feel free to chime in if you like. just dont tell me i need a $2,000 lathe because that’s just not in the cards right now.

thank you all
I can't say much as I've not made a cue yet. I'm getting into it. It takes a lot of money for equipment and materials.

I have a MidAmerican Professional ($1599) and while it's a great machine, if I knew more or really anything when starting out I would have saved up another $1000 for the Cuesmith Deluxe.

The reason being, the Cuesmith has a much more direct route for being able to do everything. You can get taper bars, live threading systems and such.

When I purchased mine I didn't know Sh##. The MidAmerican is definitely a very capable machine but I feel the upgrade path is a bit more limited. For example, I don't ever foresee being able to do live threading on my lathe.

Now again, if I knew anything, I think you could potentially get into the hobby much more cheaply but I knew zero about lathes other than they turn stuff. I didn't know a head stock from a tail stock. Research into lathes and machining in general would be really useful for you (and me) right now. Also don't discount going back through the Ask A Cuemaker old posts. I've worked about 200 pages in the old ones, going oldest to newest. There's a lot of stuff that doesn't relate to anything important, but there's also a ton of hidden gems in the topics. Lots of broken pictures and external links, but with archive.org you can sort of piece together some stuff.

Here is a good series about lathe work in general, it's metal work. She does a really good job of explaining stuff without treating her audience like idiots. Cuemaker's guild on youtube has some great videos about actually making cues on desktop and full size lathes. Everyone has different methods and they show different methods for doing similar tasks. It's a real gem of a channel for guys not able to shadow a cuemaker near them.

From one beginner to another, good luck in your journey! I'm looking forward to see what you make. :)
 
I can't say much as I've not made a cue yet. I'm getting into it. It takes a lot of money for equipment and materials.

I have a MidAmerican Professional ($1599) and while it's a great machine, if I knew more or really anything when starting out I would have saved up another $1000 for the Cuesmith Deluxe.

The reason being, the Cuesmith has a much more direct route for being able to do everything. You can get taper bars, live threading systems and such.

When I purchased mine I didn't know Sh##. The MidAmerican is definitely a very capable machine but I feel the upgrade path is a bit more limited. For example, I don't ever foresee being able to do live threading on my lathe.

Now again, if I knew anything, I think you could potentially get into the hobby much more cheaply but I knew zero about lathes other than they turn stuff. I didn't know a head stock from a tail stock. Research into lathes and machining in general would be really useful for you (and me) right now. Also don't discount going back through the Ask A Cuemaker old posts. I've worked about 200 pages in the old ones, going oldest to newest. There's a lot of stuff that doesn't relate to anything important, but there's also a ton of hidden gems in the topics. Lots of broken pictures and external links, but with archive.org you can sort of piece together some stuff.

Here is a good series about lathe work in general, it's metal work. She does a really good job of explaining stuff without treating her audience like idiots. Cuemaker's guild on youtube has some great videos about actually making cues on desktop and full size lathes. Everyone has different methods and they show different methods for doing similar tasks. It's a real gem of a channel for guys not able to shadow a cuemaker near them.

From one beginner to another, good luck in your journey! I'm looking forward to see what you make. :)
Mid america and cuesmith are both taig based lathes so alot of stuff might be interchangeable
 
i’ve posted in this sub-forum a few times over the years, and for the MOST part have encountered friendly, helpful craftsmen that love what they do….

…. and a few gatekeeping assholes.

i’ve decided i’m going to make cues. eventually. i’ve been horsing around with what i have, which isnt much, and have had a tremendous amount of fun. i really love this stuff.

i’ve posted some of my exploits over on the Main Forum, and have decided to repost them here as a journal of sorts. i’m going to continue to post comments as i tackle new projects and learn.

hopefully this is welcome here. feel free to chime in if you like. just dont tell me i need a $2,000 lathe because that’s just not in the cards right now.

thank you all

To get the proper spindle bore and dimensions to build a cue, you need a $4000 lathe.

There's no shortcut to quality.

Without this lathe, you will have an obviously homemade product. If you are happy with this, then rock on🤘
 
Balabushka and Rich, and I am sure many others, used wood lathes. I have at least several old cues with marks on the ends from wood lathes. Proper snooker cues are made by planing, not on a lathe.

There is always more than one way to skin a cat. And sometimes older or more basic ways just take more patience. You can pay for the equipment with money, or you can pay for the work with your time. There are those that say you can't even do a tip right without a lathe, but many of us have done it for a lot of years. It's brutal on your fingers in my experience, and takes a bit of time, but certainly very doable.

Assembling a cue from parts is not the same as scratch making the cue from the wood planks or squares. Someone used to sell kits, I don't remember who. Cornhusker? You can still buy parts and blanks and cues in various stages of completion. Anyway, many of us have had adventures changing a pin or something like that.

I think it's cool to see the post and pictures. Don't be afraid to show it's not exactly concentric. Who cares? He loved the cue. Best he ever played with. What could be better than that?

Hey, the man used a torch on the cue. That takes some guts to get past. Having the money to buy a lathe has not been a problem for me, having the guts to dive in is where I am stuck.

Some may cringe at this post. So what? Why worry about it.
 
just dont tell me i need a $2,000 lathe because that’s just not in the cards right now.


To get the proper spindle bore and dimensions to build a cue, you need a $4000 lathe.

There's no shortcut to quality.

Without this lathe, you will have an obviously homemade product. If you are happy with this, then rock on🤘

thanks for the words of encouragement! looking forward to making subpar bullshit.
 
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