Soft Break Will Finish 9 Ball For Good
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Yep, and it must be cheating in tennis to hit the ball on the opposite side of the court as your opponent. Or baseball, all the batters trying to hit the ball where no one can catch it. And basketball, my word! They actually try and block you from shooting! Where will it all end??
And he won it with the soft break and pattern racking too. Show how pool has come a long way.
And yet, you still rarely see any real packages. Many of the top pros can't get the soft break to work right for them. Gee, could it actually be a skill shot? One that makes the game easier to play, but takes skill to perform correctly? If it was so easy to do, everyone would be doing it, and you would see large packages.
Why is it that everytime some genius figures something out to better themselves, there are always people waiting in the wings to knock it?
Got a news flash for you guys- 9 ball is not broken. It's just that the top players are so good at what they do that they make a very tough game look very easy.
I agree, get rid of the soft break. It really does take a lot of the enjoyment out of watching 9 ball. There are fewer difficult run-outs and each rack is becoming predictable. I can ssy that watching Corey and others dissect the rack as they have is very impressive to see, but when the MR comes in to play, it's more - break at this speed, run-out this same pattern time after time. To me, this becomes somewhat boring to watch, granted I still watch
Clearly, we need to go back to maces here.
And yet, you still rarely see any real packages. Many of the top pros can't get the soft break to work right for them. Gee, could it actually be a skill shot? One that makes the game easier to play, but takes skill to perform correctly? If it was so easy to do, everyone would be doing it, and you would see large packages.
Why is it that everytime some genius figures something out to better themselves, there are always people waiting in the wings to knock it?
Got a news flash for you guys- 9 ball is not broken. It's just that the top players are so good at what they do that they make a very tough game look very easy.
The events that I saw them letting them soft break it was alt break. If it is winners break on a BB ,race to seven you would/will see a lot of packages and match scores of 7-1,7-2.
It takes far from a genius to figure out and perform it on a BB. I don't know how much harder it is to do on a 9' because I don't play on them anymore. If someone on here is a "B+" or "A" player that has or plays a lot on a BB and can't learn to do the same thing in a few days...I must be a genius. Johnnyt
LOL...yeah if it was up to me it would be ball it hand after every miss.
Screw those people that want to play scared.....:grin:
Safe belongs in straight pool...not nine ball.
Nine ball is a bangers game and that's what I am...a banger that doesn't play safe.:wave:
:shakehead:
Sorry...I like to shoot balls to make them.
Anyone can hit balls back and forth and not make anything.:thumbup:
That's not shooting pool. I can tell you what it is but...I'm not allowed.
When was the last time there was a tournament match with winner break where one player never got to shoot once? I don't remember this happening, it certainly doesn't happen often, so I guess the game isn't broke.
The other thing to keep in mind is "amateur" fans want to see break and runs. The major pro sports have it figured out. Look at the NBA. They let them travel so they can make those fantastic drives to the basket and hit highlight reel shots and dunks. The Refs show favoritism to the All Stars, those are the guys the fans in the stands pay to see. The NFL has changed the rules to where the run is nearly extinct and you can't wave at the QB or tackle a WR without getting flagged.
Yep, the purists would prefer to see more "real pool". I have no problem with an NBA game being 73 - 68 but I'm a basketball purist. Unfortunately, as in pool, purists don't fill the stands.
The other thing to keep in mind is "amateur" fans want to see break and runs. The major pro sports have it figured out. Look at the NBA. They let them travel so they can make those fantastic drives to the basket and hit highlight reel shots and dunks. The Refs show favoritism to the All Stars, those are the guys the fans in the stands pay to see. The NFL has changed the rules to where the run is nearly extinct and you can't wave at the QB or tackle a WR without getting flagged.
Yep, the purists would prefer to see more "real pool". I have no problem with an NBA game being 73 - 68 but I'm a basketball purist. Unfortunately, as in pool, purists don't fill the stands.
Change is hard to accept
Well I'm surprised that it took as long as it did for someone like Corey to figure out the proper way to break in 9 ball.
I mean I know it makes the game more predictable but it takes a lot of skill to do the same thing over and over again. Most ppl who don't like what Corey does can't do it themselves or are used to playing the game in randomness.
Every game has pretty much a standard break. A lot of games have standard breaks that are considered soft. They don't get alot of flack bc it was discovered early and accepted right away. 1 pocket, 14.1, snooker, etc. it's pretty much the same thing but the fact that there are more balls on the table it creates more randomness.
If you don't like it. Don't play it. Don't watch it. Whatever it takes to make u happy. Your fight is kinda futile.
Idk if you guys are Earl fans or not? I personally am. But what drove Earl kinda nuts is what you are doing right now. Earl loves the game but is not willing to accept change. Might end up a little nutty like him. I wouldn't mind as long as I shot the way he does! Lol
All in all though. Do I like where 9 balls headed? Not really but I'm giving it a chance. Who knows somebody might come along who's like Corey and teach us more about the game.
Well I'm surprised that it took as long as it did for someone like Corey to figure out the proper way to break in 9 ball.
I mean I know it makes the game more predictable but it takes a lot of skill to do the same thing over and over again. Most ppl who don't like what Corey does can't do it themselves or are used to playing the game in randomness.
Every game has pretty much a standard break. A lot of games have standard breaks that are considered soft. They don't get alot of flack bc it was discovered early and accepted right away. 1 pocket, 14.1, snooker, etc. it's pretty much the same thing but the fact that there are more balls on the table it creates more randomness.
If you don't like it. Don't play it. Don't watch it. Whatever it takes to make u happy. Your fight is kinda futile.
Idk if you guys are Earl fans or not? I personally am. But what drove Earl kinda nuts is what you are doing right now. Earl loves the game but is not willing to accept change. Might end up a little nutty like him. I wouldn't mind as long as I shot the way he does! Lol
All in all though. Do I like where 9 balls headed? Not really but I'm giving it a chance. Who knows somebody might come along who's like Corey and teach us more about the game.
Johnny, no offense meant, but what makes him the genius and not you is that he figured it out when no one else did. The rest of you copied what he learned.
In 9 ball, you want every ball frozen. When that happens, the wing ball can be reliably made when the one is hit correctly and at the correct speed. Change the hit on the one by just a little, and the one goes in the side. The rest of the balls are quite predictable. Very predictable when hit softer. That does not make 9 ball "broken" at all. But, just like any other shot on the table, requires skill to hit correctly.
So many say 9 ball is broken because of the rack, go to 10 ball. Well, as you are starting to see, the same argument can be made for 10 ball as 9 ball. Certain balls are very predictable off the break.
What you guys are actually saying, whether you realize it or not, is that you don't want any skill in the break. Which makes no sense to me at all. It's like saying that the better players shouldn't be allowed to use english to play position because it makes the game to easy for them. Why can't people just be acknowledged for the skill they have and what they have contributed to make the game better and easier for all of us? Some of you sound like it's only worth watching when the pros can't run out! Those should just love watching the lower amateurs play then!
You know what bores me to death?
Seeing a standard set of 9 ball, where someone breaks hard, lucks something in (or not)
and runs out. Or they trade safes until someone's kick sells out.
You know what's kind of interesting? When I see someone play the game to near perfection
and find some new way to make it look like they can run racks forever.
When I see a new break I never saw before, where they play to hang the 1 and wire the 9.
Why on earth do you want to see the same old boring 9 ball that you remember from the 1980's?
Why remove everything new that adds any kind of depth or change to the game,
and just return it to two guys bashing the rack and hoping they can see the one?
Like Icon says, soft break has been around over a decade and it's not dead yet.
And bangers like me will still play it for fun because just making a ball on the break
doesn't mean a B-player wins.
Seeing a standard set of 9 ball, where someone breaks hard, lucks something in (or not)
and runs out. Or they trade safes until someone's kick sells out.
You know what's kind of interesting? When I see someone play the game to near perfection
and find some new way to make it look like they can run racks forever.
When I see a new break I never saw before, where they play to hang the 1 and wire the 9.
Why on earth do you want to see the same old boring 9 ball that you remember from the 1980's?
Why remove everything new that adds any kind of depth or change to the game,
and just return it to two guys bashing the rack and hoping they can see the one?
Like Icon says, soft break has been around over a decade and it's not dead yet.
And bangers like me will still play it for fun because just making a ball on the break
doesn't mean a B-player wins.
I wish I had an extra $10,000 lying around so I could offer a simple prize:
First person to get a 10-pack, ON CAMERA, gets the cheese.
We have plenty of STORIES of 10+ racks run.
But strangely we have no VIDEO of it happening.
I believe it has happened several times over the years.
But it didn't happen due to soft break with magic rack.
It happened because champions caught fire.
Earl's 11-rack run, for the million dollar prize? No soft break or magic rack.
Archer's legendary 14-pack vs. Busty? No soft break or magic rack.
Some guys claimed Matlock had 20+ on a barbox. I definitely need to see THAT on tape.
If soft break makes it so easy, then let's hold that contest
and see how long it takes for someone to get the prize.
Only condition: Balls must be racked tight, no intentional gaps.
No 9 on the snap but any combo after is legal.
Feel free to use barbox, fast cloth, magic rack, jump cues, and whatever else
makes the AARPers complain.
Don't be shocked if nobody gets it for a while, and the first one to
finally pull it off is Corey Deuel.
Watching SVB and Dennis Ocullo in the last couple of US Bar table championships I'd put my money on one of those two. Shane has a couple of 6 packs on camera and has mentioned breaking and running 14 racks of 10 ball practicing for his TAR match with Dechaine.