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What software did you use to draw the diagram? My system is similar but better, so I will save people 65$ when I give it away for free in my next thread. 
Speaking of Aiming - Pat's "System"
- Thread starter Patrick Johnson
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There are only 3 shots in pool .
A visualization system where the cueball must be to pocket the object ball and control the cueball cannot be possible, can it?
No way pros visualize that.
A visualization system where the cueball must be to pocket the object ball and control the cueball cannot be possible, can it?
No way pros visualize that.
Honestly Joey....I am not so sure anymore lately....Here is why.
SpiderWeb's post is what made me think of this BTW.
He posted a link to a flash program that had you pick center CB......His intent (I think) was to show that most of us can not pick center CB......(the circle seemed to be the most discussed of the test)
That made me think....IF I can not routinely guess center CB to aim at my target....How can I routinely guess A-B-C pre-pivot lines. How can I guess 1/2 tip offset (of something) and how can I guess (pivot to) center CB?
most methods only require a single alignment point.
CTE requires two perspective alignment points. Then a 1/2 tip offset offset point, then a pivot to center point....so a minimum of 4 points must be accurately guessed......vs....1 point being accurately guessed.
my logic tells me that I have 3xs the chance of guessing off.
I use my "bass ackard alignment method" which (sorry Pat) is an even more stripped down alignment method then the Pat's method.....yet seems to be the most accurate alignment method I have ever tried.
Every once in a while I get an opponent ask me "what the hell are you doing" after they see me shoot....Every time I show them what I am doing they say...."damn....that works and it is easy"
I even had one guy ask if I was doing that "CTE stuff"....I laughed and said no...but it is an offshoot developed from playing around with CTE and other pivot methods.
As more and more the discussion and method of CTE gets convoluted and detailed....the more I want to strip it down and make an easy and thought free method. :wink:
Yes it can be helping you be consistent -- consistently mediocre, perhaps?
All I'm saying is that while doing the CTE Dance may help you become and be more consistent, there may be (probably is) another PSR out there that could give you a better "consistent." Maybe one that isn't throwing your stroke out of alignment
Lou Figueroa
Lou,
CTE/Pro One doesn't throw your stroke out of alignment. LOL And that ain't no BS. Where do you come up with that stuff? Did it throw your stroke out of alignment?
JoeyA
Ken,
Can you provide a link to your detailed bass ackwards aiming method? Always interested in learning another aiming system. :wink:
thanks,
JoeyA
I use CTE. Learned it from Stan and Hal. I also use double the distance, contact point, ghost ball and fractional ball aiming. When I'm in stroke, I don't consciously use any aiming system. CTE helped me get there.
There's alot of good info on this site. Would be better if people were less polarizing.
CTE works and Patrick's statement is correct.
And no, I'm not riding the short bus with Patrick.
No, Joey, because though I tried it, I don't use it.
I tried it, BTW -- with all those pivots -- at a pool hall with a lot of mirrors and watched my stroke. I didn't like what I saw.
Lou Figueroa
I missed two combos and a carom too. The 8ball was a team event so it's not entirely up to me. I was a little unlucky in the 9ball, losing to 3 early 9s in a race to 5 on the winner's side, and getting beat 4-2 by Bobby Mcgrath who I hear is a good speedpool player. That guy NEVER misses and I didn't even see him bother playing shape -or pivoting for that matter lol.
You don't have to miss to let your opponent to the table. Sometimes people scratch on the break or break open too. That's all it takes. No title for me but I got a couple rounds into the money.
It was all that mirror looking that was screwing you up. You should know better than to look in a mirror. You should have been focusing on those aiming coordinates.
JoeyA
I use CTE. Learned it from Stan and Hal. I also use double the distance, contact point, ghost ball and fractional ball aiming. When I'm in stroke, I don't consciously use any aiming system. CTE helped me get there.
There's alot of good info on this site. Would be better if people were less polarizing.
CTE works and Patrick's statement is correct.
And no, I'm not riding the short bus with Patrick.
You sound a lot like me, except I'm not a Chevy man.
So what's wrong with riding the short bus with Professor Silky Johnson?
JoeyA
Not all of us can be perfect.
Patrick is a very knowledgeable player with a questionable bedside manner. I can't fade that kind of heat.:wink:
PJ,
Would I be wrong to say that to use this method you would memorize half of the contact points on one side of the OB (since the other half is the mirror image)? You say you use your stick/tip to reference the distance to the contact point. This means you are definitely using both eyes to aim.
I say this because if you are using both eyes, especially on the thinner cuts, your reference points are supplied with the corresponding eye. Left eye for the left visual point and vice versa. Have you noticed this?
Best,
Mike
Would I be wrong to say that to use this method you would memorize half of the contact points on one side of the OB (since the other half is the mirror image)? You say you use your stick/tip to reference the distance to the contact point. This means you are definitely using both eyes to aim.
I say this because if you are using both eyes, especially on the thinner cuts, your reference points are supplied with the corresponding eye. Left eye for the left visual point and vice versa. Have you noticed this?
Best,
Mike
Patrick I find your system to be too complicated. Your process can be simplified.
No aim points whatsoever, just feel for the angle. All you have to do is to feel the relationship between pocket, CB & OB.
In this system there is a line from OB to pocket and another from QB to OB.
With your points you sound like secret CTE practitioner.
No aim points whatsoever, just feel for the angle. All you have to do is to feel the relationship between pocket, CB & OB.
In this system there is a line from OB to pocket and another from QB to OB.
With your points you sound like secret CTE practitioner.
I don't need to memorize contact points (I don't even know how you'd go about that); they're just easy for me to see (after lots of practice) by looking at the OB and pocket. I don't consciously memorize anything; I just actively note the available visual clues to give my subconscious as much "reference" info as possible so it can do the memorizing. I'm not even sure "memorize" is the right word for it. But I think it's what we call "feel".
I don't see how that follows from that, but I believe for other reasons that it's true.
No, and I think I would notice.
pj
chgo
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Possibly you would notice, but not really. I don't notice when I'm aiming with my less dominant eye because I tune it out. Next time you are shooting cuts to the left and right, especially the thinner cuts, close your dominant eye and notice what you are looking at. I may have a point to make here if you try this.
Best,
Mike
I believe my stick is always centered in my view, if that helps your understanding. I'll try to remember to look with each eye closed when I play tomorrow morning and let you know.
pj
chgo
I checked this today, and on every shot, thick or thin, my stick is centered in my view when I'm looking at it and the OB contact point is centered in my view when I look at it. When I'm looking at either, I'm also aware of the other in my periphery, but I'm not actually looking at it. I don't believe there's any one-eyed viewing going on, at least not in any meaningful sense.
For what that's worth to you...
pj
chgo
P.S. When I say something is "centered in my view", I mean that with both eyes open it appears centered, but when I close either eye it shifts off-center (farther off-center when I close my non-dominant eye).
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