Speaking of Aiming - Pat's "System"

Of course, aiming adjustments must be made for squirve caused by sidespin. Noticing the adjusted "offset distance" is also helpful for memorizing cuts with sidespin.

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How much of an adjustment for a 30 degree cut? And a 35 degree cut?
 
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pablocruz said:
Where in your sysytem other than straight in, do you aim contact point to contact point? This does not appear to be what's happening in your diagrams!! In diagram one you have the contact point on the ball, yet you are aiming into space somewhere!!
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Sometimes, when you use some aiming systems like this, you just have to guess where you're aiming, even if it is out somewhere in space.

JoeyA
 
I'm not sure but Professor Johnsons aiming system sounds alot like Kick'n Chickn's
No Bull Shit Aiming System.

Maybe Spiderweb can do another movie with Foghorn peck'n the hell out of the Professor for stealing his system.
 
Pat, this a very good system. I have been useing it for the last year, (after struggling for years. This is the same method that Willy M. has taught me in a book I read of his.
It does not take that long to get it. Mark Twain: "REPUTITON" is the Mother of SKILL.
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Hahahaha!! Same fight different room.

I really like using this double the distance method. Sometimes I revert back to this method on certain shots. Thanks for posting the 3D pictures Patrick. Well done!
 
Neil said:
Despite how many times Pat said he doesn't use any systems, this IS a system. It's commonly referred to as the "feel" system, or whack-a-mole system. If you are "feeling" it that day, you will make some balls. If you just aren't "feeling" it that day, oh well. Probably 80% of all players use this system. Which is why about 80% of all players are stuck at a low B and below level of play.

Pat, you opened up a real can of worms with this thread. And, it would be extremely easy to rip you a new one with it. However, other than what I have already said, I think I will just take the high road and not stoop as low as you have in the CTE threads, and just leave it alone. If someone wants to try this method, have at it. I will say though, in your defense, it does work as stated. Just get up there and guess. No claims on actually being able to make any balls with it.;)
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No. People don't improve because they are not consistent from day-to-day, or even from shot to shot. How can you hypothesize about a shot when one day you're shooting one way and the next day another? That is pure guessing and an impossible way to build up a frame of reference that eventually reduces the guessing to a minimal amount.

And that is why some guys do the CTE dance and go, "OHMYGOD, I don't know why, but the system works! ALL HAIL HAL!" When in fact all that is happening if that, for the first time in their pool playing lives, they've introduced a high degree of consistency to their game by doing the CTE PSR. And that is a good thing. It may not be and probably isn't the bestest PSR for any given individual, but at least it's a start.

Lou Figueroa
 
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Your system, like all systems, still requires visual perception to 'feel' contact point to contact point. Similar to stick aiming methods and parallel line methods, if you check your visuals you will find they are showing the same alignment points.

Best,
Mike
 
I teach many different aiming systems in pool school. Different students tend to catch on to on more quickly than another, so offering a variety just makes sense.
Pat's system is one of the easiest to teach, and one of the easiest for many players to understand and use. It is simply double the distance, and it is quite accurate for many players. For many of them, it is far easier to incorporate into their game than the ghost ball system, which seems to be in every pool book ever written, and demonstrated by every guy in every pool room trying to teach his girlfriend where to aim.

Bottom line is that every aiming system that works delivers the cue ball to the same place. This one works just as well as any.

Steve
 
eezbank said:
Hahahaha!! Same fight different room.

I really like using this double the distance method. Sometimes I revert back to this method on certain shots.
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It looks similar to double-the-distance, but it doesn't use the OB center.

Thanks for posting the 3D pictures Patrick. Well done!
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Por nada, muchacho.

For anybody who's interested, these 3D pics are easy to make using Virtual Pool program: just set up the view you want of the stick and balls, hit the PrintScreen key to save the image to your Clipboard, then Paste it into a drawing program to add lines and text. Piece o' cake.

pj
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pooltchr said:
I teach many different aiming systems in pool school. Different students tend to catch on to on more quickly than another, so offering a variety just makes sense.
Pat's system is one of the easiest to teach, and one of the easiest for many players to understand and use. It is simply double the distance, and it is quite accurate for many players. For many of them, it is far easier to incorporate into their game than the ghost ball system, which seems to be in every pool book ever written, and demonstrated by every guy in every pool room trying to teach his girlfriend where to aim.

Bottom line is that every aiming system that works delivers the cue ball to the same place. This one works just as well as any.

Steve
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As I said to eezbank, it's not really double-the-distance. I don't try to visualize the center of the OB or to aim my stick at any calculated spot. I simply note where it's aimed every time I shoot a shot and let my brain do the calculating and memorizing and recalling for future shots.

It's about the most stripped-down "system" I know of, and I think it's easier to learn using it than any more elaborate method.

pj
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lfigueroa said:
No. People don't improve because they are not consistent from day-to-day, or even from shot to shot. How can you hypothesize about a shot when one day you're shooting one way and the next day another? That is pure guessing and an impossible way to build up a frame of reference that eventually reduces the guessing to a minimal amount.

And that is why some guys do the CTE dance and go, "OHMYGOD, I don't know why, but the system works! ALL HAIL HAL!" When in fact all that is happening if that, for the first time in their pool playing lives, they've introduced a high degree of consistency to their game by doing the CTE PSR. And that is a good thing. It may not be and probably isn't the bestest PSR for a any given individual, but at least it's a start.

Lou Figueroa
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Perfect answer!
For what ever system you use it all comes down to practice.
The more you practice the better you become.
 
Mikjary said:
Your system, like all systems, still requires visual perception to 'feel' contact point to contact point. Similar to stick aiming methods and parallel line methods, if you check your visuals you will find they are showing the same alignment points.

Best,
Mike
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And that may be why CTE/Pro One is better than any other aiming system. The finite, multiple coordinates HELP you to focus better and in essence help your precision in pocketing balls.

An aiming system which helps you to focus better is a better aiming system.

Me, I still use a few different aiming systems and learning and using CTE/Pro One doesn't seem to have hurt my consistency so that crud about using CTE/Pro One and it hurting your game is TOTAL BS
 
JolietJames said:
Or people who play like that can go pro. It doesn't matter how you aim. Practice gets you to the height of your ability. I'm tired of people making it sound like systems are necessary in this game because they are not. I played in the acs state tourney last week and missed three shots in the open 9ball and three shots in the open 8ball teams event. I'm sure that put me in the mid .900s for pocketing percentage. I'm no champion and I don't use a system. Pool is basically two dimentional and with an elementary understanding of geometry one can pocket balls consistantly with no system if they have a good stroke. Learning a system WILL NOT make my percentages any higher. Maybe they can help beginners or eggs who just don't get the game. When I see top pros pivoting their way to the US Open championship I will gain a little respect for systems but not until then.
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So let me figure this out, you only missed a total of 6 shots in two tourny's? Any you are not a champion? Anyone who can shoot in the mid to high .900's should have a few titles under their belt.....

So what's wrong, did you only play 6 games, or is your math wrong, or did was this the best weekend of your life, or do you have several titles?
 
Mikjary said:
Your system, like all systems, still requires visual perception to 'feel' contact point to contact point. Similar to stick aiming methods and parallel line methods, if you check your visuals you will find they are showing the same alignment points.

Best,
Mike
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I don't know exactly what you said there, but if you mean any successful aiming method must end up at the same place... well, sure.

It's how you get there that matters to players. This is the simple, straightforward way.

pj
chgo
 
JoeyA said:
Me, I still use a few different aiming systems and learning and using CTE/Pro One doesn't seem to have hurt my consistency so that crud about using CTE/Pro One and it hurting your game is TOTAL BS
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Yes it can be helping you be consistent -- consistently mediocre, perhaps?

All I'm saying is that while doing the CTE Dance may help you become and be more consistent, there may be (probably is) another PSR out there that could give you a better "consistent." Maybe one that isn't throwing your stroke out of alignment :-) And that ain't no BS.

Lou Figueroa
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Aiming doesn't have to be complicated, especially if you can visualize the object ball contact point and estimate the location of the cue ball contact point. If you can do that then all you have to do is point one at the other.

Accurately visualizing the OBCP and estimating the CBCP takes practice and memorization, and having something to "measure" for each cut angle makes memorizing them much easier. Here's the way I do it:

For each shot I simply notice how far the tip of my cue is pointed away from the OBCP. For thinner cuts this distance is larger (like in the first picture below); for thicker cuts it's smaller (like in the 2nd and 3rd pictures below). I don't do anything special with the information - simply taking notice of how much it is for each shot helps me memorize cuts quickly and repeatably.

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This isn't a system in the sense that elaborate methods like x-angle systems are, but "systematically" focusing on exactly where my stick is pointed also helps me get aligned consistently with each shot, which I think is very important.

This is similar to ghost ball, since my stick points to the ghost ball center by definition, but I don't visualize a ghost ball. I try to visualize the CB contact point aimed at the OB contact point, and so I think of this as contact point-to-contact point aiming.

Of course, aiming adjustments must be made for squirve caused by sidespin. Noticing the adjusted "offset distance" is also helpful for memorizing cuts with sidespin.

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The Holy Grail ,Thanks for sharing PJ;)
 
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