Spin it in or cut?

Autist

Autist

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Had a difference of opinion with my buddy last night while playing doubles.

It's my shot, I almost get down to spin it in with right hand english hitting the rail first, but he said "just cut it in @ pocket speed".

"wat?"

He has way more experience and plays a lot better than me, but this is the first time I felt his judgment was way off on this shot. I made sure he could see that the 7 ball was frozen, and he looked at the angle too.


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Correct way to play this shot in your opinion?


Thanks!


Edit: Lets imagine the cue ball is 3 balls south-west from where it is right now.
 
Autist said:
Had a difference of opinion with my buddy last night while playing doubles.

It's my shot, I almost get down to spin it in with right hand english hitting the rail first, but he said "just cut it in @ pocket speed".

"wat?"

He has way more experience and plays a lot better than me, but this is the first time I felt his judgment was way off on this shot. I made sure he could see that the 7 ball was frozen, and he looked at the angle too.


poolshot.jpg



Correct way to play this shot in your opinion?


Thanks!


Edit: Lets imagine the cue ball is 3 balls south-west from where it is right now.
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Spin, but also control the speed for the 8.
 
Autist said:
Had a difference of opinion with my buddy last night while playing doubles.

It's my shot, I almost get down to spin it in with right hand english hitting the rail first, but he said "just cut it in @ pocket speed".
... Thanks!
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I've practiced the spin shot a lot, so I'm going with that. That's an 80 degree cut, and over that distance I think I'm less than 50% at the simple cut.
 
I’m assuming this is a 9’ table.

:)That cut is tough. I would spin it in. The cue ball will be wired directly at the 8 ball so hope for a roll.
 
chevybob20 said:
I’m assuming this is a 9’ table.

:)That cut is tough. I would spin it in. The cue ball will be wired directly at the 8 ball so hope for a roll.
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Yes, my bad, it's a 9 ft brunswick metro table with not the tightest pockets in the world :p
 
Spin, all day and twice on Sunday. I think you have at least a 50 % better chance at spinning this in than cutting that shot.
 
Your friend is right, a precise cut with no spin will work, but given the acute angle I'd prefer to give it a little spin just in case I didn't come off the rail close enough to the object bal.

I want the best chance for that 7 to reach the pocket and I'd be pissed if it only rolled an inch down the rail and some spin will help increase the chances of that ball making it to the pocket. The slight spin wouldn't hurt your position on the next shot either, so why not.
 
Rail first with inside English. I wouldn't slow roll it because you decrease the accuracy and it looks like too much of an angle to hold it for the 8. Hit with the speed that guarantees pocketing the ball. If u go rail first with inside it looks like the cueball run into the 8 and you'd be unlucky to be in a bad spot.
 
Who cares (I guess you do) if you win an argument with your buddy. Just practice what works. If you aren't a player, maybe you can cut it in easier. But go back to your table and practice, practice, practice spinning and cutting these. Next time don't ask him anything. Just beat the guy!!!

Best of luck and Happy New Year!!!!

--Jeff
 
I'd say spin because it's kinda simpler to control the CB but a cut will do the job too, just that it's more demanding on the strength control when you have to let the CB run a table length for position.

Nevertheless, it's a very subjective choice. Some people like to cut it (so as to avoid using spin. Every English applied to the CB comes with the risk that there is a lack of deflection accounted for) while some people don't feel so comfortable letting the CB run around too much.

Really prefer your shot though, Autist.

Cheers,
Clarence
 
donny mills said:
Rail first with inside English. I wouldn't slow roll it because you decrease the accuracy and it looks like too much of an angle to hold it for the 8. Hit with the speed that guarantees pocketing the ball. If u go rail first with inside it looks like the cueball run into the 8 and you'd be unlucky to be in a bad spot.
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That's bang on. Slow rolling balls over distance is never a good idea.
 
zing it in

like donnie said, spin it in rail first, a hair before the OB hitting it firm. less room for error, the shot should play like almost like a hanger, you shouldn't miss this unless you contact the OB first. cueball enters the rail before the OB and exits cutting across the OB from the rail's side.

i think dr_dave must have a slow-mo video about this somewhere
 
Autist said:
Correct way to play this shot in your opinion?


Thanks!

Looks like the majority agree spin is the way i agree. Your friend told you shoot straight no spin, he probably noticed you are missing shots with english. With CB that far from OB you have to put enough english to last of which most likely your cue will deflect a little, your aim has to take into account this deflection, also if your elevation of cue is a bit high you will curve, and who knows if table is leveled or not so if you do not know all of that better off no english not too soft either
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