Spin Throw Combinations
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Just a note I can make this shot without cutting it. The effect looks like it's cutting because the spin throws the 8 away from the rail, but my aim point is maybe a tip right of center of the 8. Now if I were just to cut it wothout the spin, I can cut it a lot - I have more than a half ball to work with - but the contact throws the 9 away away from the pocket.
Yes - it's my Gibson 9' set up by Ernesto. I love this table. It plays as good as any table I've played on, but it's tough.
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I woke up, didn't comb my hair, shot the video in 30 seconds with one take and posted it, went back to sleep.
I've got a new video coming where I don't cut the 8. You can see the throw better.
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Here's one that shows the throw more with no cut- I'm aiming slightly right of center on the 8 with a lot of spin. The way the cue ball and the 8 react, it looks like a cut - but the reaction of the balls is due to the spin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIIDqS961Pw&feature=youtu.be
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIIDqS961Pw&feature=youtu.be
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Okay TATE. I think you explained it wrong in your opening post.
Here's what you said "The right english spin on the cue ball imparts left english on the 6, which throws the seven to the right." The mistake in explanation is here - ,,,cue ball imparts left english on the 6, which throws the seven,,,
In your YT demo, everything is explained as is in your FIRST SHOT with the cb sitting along the rail, ie that the spin on the cb throws the 2nd ball further so that it CUTS the 3rd into the pocket. The 2nd ball does not impart it's own spin to throw the 3rd ball in. In fact the 2nd ball has already been thrown enough to cut the 3rd ball in cleanly.
thx for the vid, but you talk really low. I had to turn up my volume
Here's what you said "The right english spin on the cue ball imparts left english on the 6, which throws the seven to the right." The mistake in explanation is here - ,,,cue ball imparts left english on the 6, which throws the seven,,,
In your YT demo, everything is explained as is in your FIRST SHOT with the cb sitting along the rail, ie that the spin on the cb throws the 2nd ball further so that it CUTS the 3rd into the pocket. The 2nd ball does not impart it's own spin to throw the 3rd ball in. In fact the 2nd ball has already been thrown enough to cut the 3rd ball in cleanly.
thx for the vid, but you talk really low. I had to turn up my volume
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Good video. I knew what you were talkng about & how you shot it to make it. I even thought it might have been a little tighter. But... unless I missed it, you did not shoot it from the same cue ball position without the english to show that it could not be made that way, just missing the 8 into the rail & hitting it on the way out. It might give the 8 a little momentum 'push' to cut the nine, though I doubt it. I know that you approached it from down the rail & could not cut it, but there ARE skeptics in the AZ world. It does not matter to me, as I've said before, you instinctively shot it the way you saw it & you made it. It appears to me that some on AZ think instinct or intuitive thinking is only good if you learned it from someone that taught it to you. How many misnomers in that last statement. Good on you again.
That's almost a snooker pocket. The balls are not nearly as tight as i first thuoght you were talking about but the pocket certainly is tight.
It's both. Why pick one over the other, unless there is a position issue? Maximize the effort.
Double Ditto!
The amount of second ball 'throw' is, how do I want to say this, less or limited but it does exist. The trick is to hit the shot with enough spin with limited momentum, soft enough so that there is TIME, a fourth dimention, for the spin to be effective. Maybe a better or at least a different way to say it is, the momentum can over take the spin if not hit correctly the spin will have limited or no effect. Line up two(2) striped balls about an inch apart with the stripes vertical & then hit the first softly with middle side spin & a limited or no follow thru, a popping stroke & note the 2nd. ball's roll. Now do it again & hit it hard. I think you'll notice a difference.
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I told you, there are skeptics in the AZ world.
You're a pool 'player' not a shooter. That's a compliment.
Okay TATE. I think you explained it wrong in your opening post.
Here's what you said "The right english spin on the cue ball imparts left english on the 6, which throws the seven to the right." The mistake in explanation is here - ,,,cue ball imparts left english on the 6, which throws the seven,,,
In your YT demo, everything is explained as is in your FIRST SHOT with the cb sitting along the rail, ie that the spin on the cb throws the 2nd ball further so that it CUTS the 3rd into the pocket. The 2nd ball does not impart it's own spin to throw the 3rd ball in. In fact the 2nd ball has already been thrown enough to cut the 3rd ball in cleanly.
thx for the vid, but you talk really low. I had to turn up my volume
You can think what you wish, but I clearly demonstrated in the 2nd video that the OB is being thrown in the pocket, not cut. Similar table- length shots are a lot more dramatic.
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After a few shots by a few players at our room, I think I agree with you.
We used striped balls but couldn't see the transferred english.
So, I used the first object ball as a cue-ball and made it with no english.
The ball went quite a bit farther than it did shooting the combo your way.
Therefore, I think the english IS having an effect on the combo.
..thanx, Chris, I enjoyed this thread.
regards
pt
The reason why the stipe doesn't turn on the final OB is because the spin throw cancels the cut throw.
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