St. Louie, Louie & Mr. Brier Spivey.......

OldHasBeen

Tom Ferry
On the only real "Road Trip" Louie & I took was back in the '70's & we found ourselves dealing with Mr. Brier in Huntington, WV. (That is what I remember that we & everyone else called him).
I remember it being an old poolroom with a lot of seasoned players. I (being the shortstop) won about $200 playing 2 or 3 players. Louie started playing for $50 a game with a good player and won about $600.
The day was over and we told everyone we would return the next day.
THIS IS THE PART I REMEMBER THE BEST AND WAS MOST FOND OF.
Instead of finding a Motel for the night, someone told us about this old hotel/rooming house where we could stay for the night. It was ran by an old lady and we were told that breakfast was served at 7 am sharp, lunch at noon and dinner at 6:30 pm prompt. I felt I was talking to my Mother when we checked in. Naturally we missed breakfast but were just in time for lunch. I'll never forget the meal or the entire experience. There was a very long, old table that seated about 28. The food was served "Family Style" and we just sat down and ate. THIS WAS THE BEST HOMEMADE FOOD AND DINNER CONVERSATION I HAVE EVER HAD.
Back to pool.
When we returned to the poolroom, we met Mr. Brier for the first time. We were given the feeling that nothing was going to happen unless Mr. Brier approved it and was the money in it. He started running proposition games by Louie so fast Louie couldn't keep track of them. They ALL sounded great to Louie and he wanted to play something/anything.
Some of the propositions I had experienced or heard of from the likes of Earl Heisler, Cleo, Earl Schrieber, etc. But many were even new to me. I just knew that anything that Mr. Brier offered was not going to be good for us. At one time I had to pull Louie away and explain that we needed to stick together and not argue in front of this fellow because if he saw a breach in our partnership, he would exploit it to the max.
Now, I'm not throwing flowers at myself BUT I am sure that if Louie had been there by himself, he would have gone broke within 2 hours.
Mr. Brier got a little upset with me and even made this statement that I overheard - "If I could get that straight shooting punk away from that fat bastard for 5 minutes, I'd bust him".
After a while, I started to fire back some pretty good propositions of my own (thinking that the best defense was a good offense), But Mr. Brier wouldn't take anything from me either.
We never really got any more action there and Louie wanted to leave A.S.A.P.
Part (and most important) of our arrangement was that I hold and manage ALL money & games.
I TOLD LOUIE THAT WE WERN'T GOING ANYWHERE UNTIL I GOT TO EAT BREAKFAST, LUNCH & DINNER BACK AT THE ROOMING HOUSE THE NEXT DAY.
We did, and when we went back to the poolroom, Mr. Brier saw that nothing was going to happen so he was nice enough to give us a few really good spots. I remember sending him $500 via Western Union a couple of weeks later. This move paid off "In Spades" later on in a score I took off with Earl Schrieber just because he had heard of "The Jelly" I sent back to Mr. Brier.
MR. BRIER & THE ROOMING HOUSE FOOD WILL BE WITH ME ALWAYS.

TY & GL
 
OHB,
You can't play pool in Chattanooga without hearing Vernon Elliot stories.
You've told us all about knowing of him, and I'd like to know if you've ever seen this proposition shot.
It was shown to me by a man who knows Vernon well, and I realize how stories can be exaggerated.

Is this shot for real?

My friend claims to have seen this shot first:

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Then Vernon was supposed to have followed it with this one:

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The story goes that he was given 12 attempts at each, and made them both within 6.
 
BazookaJoe said:
OHB,
You can't play pool in Chattanooga without hearing Vernon Elliot stories.
You've told us all about knowing of him, and I'd like to know if you've ever seen this proposition shot.
It was shown to me by a man who knows Vernon well, and I realize how stories can be exaggerated.

Is this shot for real?

My friend claims to have seen this shot first:

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Then Vernon was supposed to have followed it with this one:

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The story goes that he was given 12 attempts at each, and made them both within 6.

Those shots seem to be possible only in very wet conditions...
 
BazookaJoe said:
OHB,
You can't play pool in Chattanooga without hearing Vernon Elliot stories.
You've told us all about knowing of him, and I'd like to know if you've ever seen this proposition shot.
It was shown to me by a man who knows Vernon well, and I realize how stories can be exaggerated.

Is this shot for real?

My friend claims to have seen this shot first:

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Sure wish I could see the shots. All

Then Vernon was supposed to have followed it with this one:

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The story goes that he was given 12 attempts at each, and made them both within 6.
Sure wish I could see the shots. All I can see is a line of % signs and various letters and other symbols from the key board.
 
Louie

OldHasBeen,
That was a road story. The good nature of your words were enlightening. Money management, negotiation skills, partnership, integrity...

Louie abvoiusly respected you. He let YOU hold and call on the money. Then to give back to Mr. Brier... I am sure he spoke highly of the two of you from then on.

Great story. The food and the people at the inn... Great Story.
You guys moved good.

PS At an early age (16-20), I had the pleasure of watching Louie play. For hours, I saw him do things on a pool table that were remarkable. He was smooth with even the most difficult of shots (and situations).
It must be an honor to you, an acquaintance of Louie.
 
Great story, OHB. The one part I struggled with, though, is when you called yourself a shortstop. Well, maybe compared to the great Louie Roberts....
 
cueman said:
Sure wish I could see the shots. All I can see is a line of % signs and various letters and other symbols from the key board.

http://endeavor.med.nyu.edu/~wei/pool/pooltable2.html Load that webpage, copy the code between start and end, and click on the paste button while that page is loaded, and you will see it.

As far as those shots go, the first shot I have watched George Middleditch shoot many times. He makes it look easy. I imagine the second shot is just a variant of that.
 
I saw the Hillbilly shoot both of those last year at the Derby. I think he was taking 1 in 10 on the second shot. I saw him make it prolly 5 times.

Ian
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Two points. Somebody posted a while back about 2 Spivey
brothers in Huntington area who were outstanding. Brier's
sons maybe?
Also, I asked Grady this question and haven't got an answer
yet. 25 years ago or so there was a guy from NYC called
Lucky Joey who co-owned the Diamond Billiards on
Summers ST. in Charleston, WV with the Herrick brothers.
I never heard of anybody beating him in one hole.
Ever run into him?



OldHasBeen said:
On the only real "Road Trip" Louie & I took was back in the '70's & we found ourselves dealing with Mr. Brier in Huntington, WV. (That is what I remember that we & everyone else called him).
I remember it being an old poolroom with a lot of seasoned players. I (being the shortstop) won about $200 playing 2 or 3 players. Louie started playing for $50 a game with a good player and won about $600.
The day was over and we told everyone we would return the next day.
THIS IS THE PART I REMEMBER THE BEST AND WAS MOST FOND OF.
Instead of finding a Motel for the night, someone told us about this old hotel/rooming house where we could stay for the night. It was ran by an old lady and we were told that breakfast was served at 7 am sharp, lunch at noon and dinner at 6:30 pm prompt. I felt I was talking to my Mother when we checked in. Naturally we missed breakfast but were just in time for lunch. I'll never forget the meal or the entire experience. There was a very long, old table that seated about 28. The food was served "Family Style" and we just sat down and ate. THIS WAS THE BEST HOMEMADE FOOD AND DINNER CONVERSATION I HAVE EVER HAD.
Back to pool.
When we returned to the poolroom, we met Mr. Brier for the first time. We were given the feeling that nothing was going to happen unless Mr. Brier approved it and was the money in it. He started running proposition games by Louie so fast Louie couldn't keep track of them. They ALL sounded great to Louie and he wanted to play something/anything.
Some of the propositions I had experienced or heard of from the likes of Earl Heisler, Cleo, Earl Schrieber, etc. But many were even new to me. I just knew that anything that Mr. Brier offered was not going to be good for us. At one time I had to pull Louie away and explain that we needed to stick together and not argue in front of this fellow because if he saw a breach in our partnership, he would exploit it to the max.
Now, I'm not throwing flowers at myself BUT I am sure that if Louie had been there by himself, he would have gone broke within 2 hours.
Mr. Brier got a little upset with me and even made this statement that I overheard - "If I could get that straight shooting punk away from that fat bastard for 5 minutes, I'd bust him".
After a while, I started to fire back some pretty good propositions of my own (thinking that the best defense was a good offense), But Mr. Brier wouldn't take anything from me either.
We never really got any more action there and Louie wanted to leave A.S.A.P.
Part (and most important) of our arrangement was that I hold and manage ALL money & games.
I TOLD LOUIE THAT WE WERN'T GOING ANYWHERE UNTIL I GOT TO EAT BREAKFAST, LUNCH & DINNER BACK AT THE ROOMING HOUSE THE NEXT DAY.
We did, and when we went back to the poolroom, Mr. Brier saw that nothing was going to happen so he was nice enough to give us a few really good spots. I remember sending him $500 via Western Union a couple of weeks later. This move paid off "In Spades" later on in a score I took off with Earl Schrieber just because he had heard of "The Jelly" I sent back to Mr. Brier.
MR. BRIER & THE ROOMING HOUSE FOOD WILL BE WITH ME ALWAYS.

TY & GL
 
OldHasBeen said:
On the only real "Road Trip" Louie & I took was back in the '70's & we found ourselves dealing with Mr. Brier in Huntington, WV. (That is what I remember that we & everyone else called him).
I remember it being an old poolroom with a lot of seasoned players.

TY & GL
OHB,

I've been meaning to ask you about a good friend (mentor) of mine who is an old gambler from the South Carolina area. His name was "Fountain Inn" Red Willis, but most people knew him as just "Fountain Inn" Red. He was a mainstay gambler and road player in the area since I was a kid, and he tried every road man who came through town. He died in an auto accident about 2-1/2 years ago.

Also there was another straight shooting road player named Jimmy Hodges from the same area.

I was curious if you had any experience with either of these players.

Mike
 
Saw them both play!

Mike Templeton said:
OHB,

I've been meaning to ask you about a good friend (mentor) of mine who is an old gambler from the South Carolina area. His name was "Fountain Inn" Red Willis, but most people knew him as just "Fountain Inn" Red. He was a mainstay gambler and road player in the area since I was a kid, and he tried every road man who came through town. He died in an auto accident about 2-1/2 years ago.

Also there was another straight shooting road player named Jimmy Hodges from the same area.

I was curious if you had any experience with either of these players.

Mike

I watched & bet on a very great match between Fountian Inn Red & Denny Searcy. Searcy got the cheese but it wasn't easy. Great, Great Match.

If I'm not mistaken Jimmy Hodges was also called Gomer Pyle because of his accent & dialect. We played in Charleston and truthfully I can't remember what happened. I remember it wasn't a large loss or win.

TY & GL
 
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OldHasBeen said:
I watched & bet on a very great match between Fountian Inn Red & Denny Searcy. Searcy got the cheese but it wasn't easy. Great, Great Match.

If I'm not mistaken Jimmy Hodges was also called Gomer Pyle because of his accent & dialect. We played in Charleston and truthfully I can't remember what happened. I remember it wasn't a large lose or win.

TY & GL

OHB,

You are right on Jimmy Hodges. He still looks and talks like Gomer. He has a really nice room now in Greenville, SC (about 40,000 square feet) and is a good business man, but we still kid him about his look and accent.

Mike
 
Vernon Elliot

BazookaJoe said:
OHB,
You can't play pool in Chattanooga without hearing Vernon Elliot stories.
You've told us all about knowing of him, and I'd like to know if you've ever seen this proposition shot.
It was shown to me by a man who knows Vernon well, and I realize how stories can be exaggerated.

Is this shot for real?

My friend claims to have seen this shot first:

I had 4 dealings with Vernon.
1- In Dallas, him & (a player to remain anonymous) put me on a Hugh score ($22K). I had to hang around this bar where the mark only ate lunch for a week to get to know him. I couldn't go or play anywhere else. I started by flipping a coin for $500. Then played a pinball machine for $500 a game. I was about $6,500 winners when he finally asked me IF I PLAY ANY POOL FOR MONEY.
2. Won quite a nice sum in Memphis one time in Ritchie Austin's poolroom when I just happened to walk in and saw Vernon playing someone who didn’t know Vernon. They were betting $1,500 a game, One Pocket and I got a nice $300 rail bet.
3. After being brought to Chattanooga to hustle pool by a complete idiot who almost screwed up all my action by having me play & beat Hawaiian Brian on a bar Box, I called Vernon. He told me where & when to go to make some nice scores. Believe it or not, at one of the places, I was playing on a bar table on an outside patio of a bar for $500 a game. IT WAS RAINING AT THE TIME. Talk about damp conditions.
4. After a local poolroom/bowling alley owner/sucker won over $140K in Atlantic City, I brought in Vernon. I had him going in during the day as a local gas company worker. I got him the shirt w/ his name on it & everything. He started out getting 9 to 7 (one pocket) for $500 a game after he had supposedly just received a $5,000 insurance settlement. He could have easily given this guy 12 to 5. It was beautiful! After 2 weeks and about 7 plays, Vernon was over $45,000 ahead. They ended up playing even.
VERNON WAS "THE BEST UNKNOWN POOL HUSTLER I HAVE EVER SEEN".

TY & GL
 
The Shots.

OldHasBeen said:
BazookaJoe said:
OHB,
You can't play pool in Chattanooga without hearing Vernon Elliot stories.
You've told us all about knowing of him, and I'd like to know if you've ever seen this proposition shot.
It was shown to me by a man who knows Vernon well, and I realize how stories can be exaggerated.

Is this shot for real?

My friend claims to have seen this shot first:

BazookaJoe -
I first saw (the first shot) made by Buddy in Detroit. Saw Louie make it many times after that.
Never saw the second shot made that way. I have however seen it made by going off the bottom rail w/ extreme left, & back cutting it across corner.

Damp is best for both shots but not completely necessary for the first shot.

TY & GL
 
Briers sons

hondo said:
Two points. Somebody posted a while back about 2 Spivey
brothers in Huntington area who were outstanding. Brier's
sons maybe?
Also, I asked Grady this question and haven't got an answer
yet. 25 years ago or so there was a guy from NYC called
Lucky Joey who co-owned the Diamond Billiards on
Summers ST. in Charleston, WV with the Herrick brothers.
I never heard of anybody beating him in one hole.
Ever run into him?
My Brother Didn;t like pool, Brier only had 2 children Brenda[me] And Junior my brother who used to rack balls for .10cents per rack in dad's place! My brother went in the service A-F He then went to Dallas to work For collins Radio computers. I worked for him selling Dec used Eq..I'm very proud to say, he was instrumental in prefecting the satelitte dish used in the space program for the first moon walk! He would send me $$ when I needed it to stake players with me{took it out of my pay later}Lost him to cancer 1994! He didn't like the Gambeling Life like I did, but he supported my vice, I was lucky to have a wonderful brother! The guys your talking about are not related to Brier Spivey! there was a few good players in Huntington, Hezzie Adkins, Dink, Pittsburg Paul,Gregg Sullivan lived in Huntington TOO, To name a few!
 
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