Stan posted another youtube---Subjectivity, Objectivity, and a little CTE

Do you really need a special cue ball to estimate quarter of a ball?
No I don't but in the beginning it would have taken a step out of learning the visuals. I would be surprised if Stan hadn't looked into selling them and decided against it for any number of reasons.
 
No I don't but in the beginning it would have taken a step out of learning the visuals. I would be surprised if Stan hadn't looked into selling them and decided against it for any number of reasons.

I'm reluctant to use the 'o' word in this forum because it will start Rick foaming at the mouth but you have 2 very [insert that word] points on the ball useful for visualising the quarters.

The top of the ball and the extreme edge of the ball (sorry Duckie). Splitting the distance between the 2 points should be easy or become easy with practice.

I notice there is an Aramith training ball.

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Not sure, but position '4' looks like the quarter.

I still wonder if practicing with a marked ball like this and then playing with a normal set is going to really help.
 
I'm reluctant to use the 'o' word in this forum because it will start Rick foaming at the mouth but you have 2 very [insert that word] points on the ball useful for visualising the quarters.

The top of the ball and the extreme edge of the ball (sorry Duckie). Splitting the distance between the 2 points should be easy or become easy with practice.

I notice there is an Aramith training ball.

mm20_R.jpg


Not sure, but position '4' looks like the quarter.

I still wonder if practicing with a marked ball like this and then playing with a normal set is going to really help.

I saw those balls as well. I feel I've gotten pretty good and estimating points a/c, but there's little doubt some people have a harder time than others and a marked ball may help.
 
The top of the ball and the extreme edge of the ball (sorry Duckie). Splitting the distance between the 2 points should be easy or become easy with practice.
It doesn't really matter if you estimate the aim points accurately, only that you estimate them the same every time. They're just reference points like the markings on a gauge - as long as they don't move around you can learn to use them as "landmarks" to help estimate actual cuts. They're certainly not seen the same way by everybody (another way to know it's not an "objective" process).

pj
chgo
 
What about starting a Google Group?

Let's face it, you have to commit genocide before you are banned here.

Google groups are worse. RSB was a Google Group for pool with no moderation, no bans, and no rules. Mayhem and insanity was on the daily menu.
 
It doesn't really matter if you estimate the aim points accurately, only that you estimate them the same every time. They're just reference points like the markings on a gauge - as long as they don't move around you can learn to use them as "landmarks" to help estimate actual cuts. They're certainly not seen the same way by everybody (another way to know it's not an "objective" process).

Never said 'objective'. The 'o' word I was referring to might have been 'opportune'
 
Google groups are worse. RSB was a Google Group for pool with no moderation, no bans, and no rules. Mayhem and insanity was on the daily menu.
RSB was a Usenet group (and may still be, for all I know). It (also) became a Google Group when Google bought the Deja News Usenet archives in 2001(?). Usenet groups can be moderated, RSB was unmoderated by choice.

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chgo
 
RSB was a Usenet group (and may still be, for all I know). It (also) became a Google Group when Google bought the Deja News Usenet archives in 2001(?). Usenet groups can be moderated, RSB was unmoderated by choice.

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chgo

Serious question: choice by whom? Why couldn't the moderation factor be changed when it got out of control?
 
Does it mean you would be sneaking in there under a phony screen name like you did here to continue the disruption?
Which phony screen name was I, Einstein? Did you go around accusing poor confused noobs of being me? I'll bet you did. Admit it; you missed me. :lovies:

pj
chgo
 
Which phony screen name was I, Einstein? Did you go around accusing poor confused noobs of being me? I'll bet you did. Admit it; you missed me. :lovies:

pj
chgo

Double lol. Nobody was ever accused but you and the noobs do have confusion in common. As far as you being missed, one more lol !
 
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In the sense that there are no markings on a solid OB or a stripe ball that is not aligned with the CB, I would agree that there are no truely objective aim points. You do have to develop the ability to accurately estimate the quarter and eighth ball points. With that being said IMO Stan should offer a practice ball that has marks on it for A,B,C, and the 1/8th points instead of saying go get a set of old Sentinials. I believe it would aid in developing the ability to see each perception for those that are having a problem seeing these points.

It would be impossible to have a ball of which you speak that would not also constantly need to be set up & oriented correctly. That is because those points or factional divisions are dependent on the position of the cue ball as they are basically defined to be determined from the position of the cue ball. Have you never noticed Stan turning a centennial ball when he moves to a new cue ball position?

But even if one could be manufactured, what about the shots that are not of those angles? How would one orient the ball for each & everyone of those shots?

If you actually did have a true definitive objective point or fractional line then it would actually be more difficult for one to imagine or envision it to be in a different location. It would then be easier however to then consciously use either side of the true visual objective point or line though. But that would then be using one's intuition to subjectively determine how much to one side or the other to go for the shot at hand.

It has been said that CTE is a visual system. Then it was said that CTE is a visual/physical system.

As I believe PJ elude earlier today, it should be apparent that CTE is a visual/physical aid for the use of ones intuition or subjectivity. That, over time of use, can & should become a subconscious data base, at which time it will appear to the shooter to simply be a see & shoot method or 'system'.

I hope you can see & understand my points.

Best 2 You & All,
Rick
 
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