Stan Shuffet Challenge

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Timothy Rose said:
Dont come to any conclusions yet on the system, your still a long way off from understanding the system at a level Stan or other can shoot it at :)
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If what you are now saying is true then please explain why Stan is rotating in that 5 shot video to see the visual that would put him on the #5 shot line.

You've led me to a conclusion & say don't come to one. Why?

If my conclusion is incorrect then please give support/reasons other than to just to just say that CTE does not need this or that is not necessary.

We started with how can all 5 shots be made with the exact same visual & pivot/sweep. You basically explained that while it is the same visual it is rotated so as to create a different outcome angle & now seem to be back tracking & saying that it is not necessary.

I then ask again, why then was Stan rotating?

If you are just playing games I don't want to play. But I would PM you but it seems that that is not allowed.

Best Wishes,
Rick
 
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Outre Bron said:
Why are so many members in this forum quick to inject Politics into the conversation? Besides you know, being complete douchebags?

If snooker was played in this country I would gladly trade in my new cue for a snooker stick. I am certain that sport is populated by men far more civil and educated than this lot. It's disappointing to see.
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I'm calling this.

You're not anyone who you'd claim to be.
Been doing this way too long to not recognize lies.
 
ENGLISH! said:
You joined in July & did not make your 1st. post until 11-10 & nearly all are in some way about CTE.

I doubt that anyone on AZB knows you you really are.

If what you are now saying is true then please explain why Stan is rotating in that 5 shot video to see the visual that would put him on the #5 shot line.

You've led me to a conclusion & say don't come to one. Why?

If my conclusion is incorrect then please give support/reasons other than to just to just say that CTE does not need this or that is not necessary.

We started with how can all 5 shots be made with the exact same visual & pivot/sweep. You basically explained that while it is the same visual it is rotated so as to create a different outcome angle & now seem to be back tracking & saying that it is not necessary.

I then ask again, why then was Stan rotating?

If you are just playing games I don't want to play. But... I now have an idea who you really are.

Best Wishes,
Rick
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The video you are talking about is an instructional video and this is why he is rotating. he is showing the perception of different angled shots with the same alignment. This is being done with the knowledge of where the pocket is even without actually looking at it.

Now if he makes that video with out showing you what is actually happening, what purpose would that video have and how would it help?

I dont understand why you would think i am playing games but if you wish too not continue I am ok with that :)

As for the pms- i prefer not to receive any from anyone on here and will do all my chatting on the boards :)
 
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ENGLISH! said:
You joined in July & did not make your 1st. post until 11-10 & nearly all are in some way about CTE.

I doubt that anyone on AZB knows you you really are.

If what you are now saying is true then please explain why Stan is rotating in that 5 shot video to see the visual that would put him on the #5 shot line.

You've led me to a conclusion & say don't come to one. Why?

If my conclusion is incorrect then please give support/reasons other than to just to just say that CTE does not need this or that is not necessary.

We started with how can all 5 shots be made with the exact same visual & pivot/sweep. You basically explained that while it is the same visual it is rotated so as to create a different outcome angle & now seem to be back tracking & saying that it is not necessary.

I then ask again, why then was Stan rotating?

If you are just playing games I don't want to play. But... I now have an idea who you really are.

Best Wishes,
Rick
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If you ever truly understand CTE, you will then know it is a visual system. I have said this over and over.
I can see a visual and do a number of various physical movements to arrive at a shot line but they will all equal a 1/2 tip pivot..... Visual-wise. That is on the pure sweep side of the system.

The manual version is a different story! You'd be hard-pressed to see any differences...from shot to shot. It is all the same.

CTE is seemless at the proficient level, a level that you will never reach. You will never know or experience the amazing specialness about CTE. That is okay with me....It is out there for you and you turn your nose to it rather than fostering a desire to learn it.

Good day and best wishes and it truly is okay with me that can't get it and will not get.

Stan Shuffett
 
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The above post seems very cultish.

"If you leave the congregation you will not be allowed through the gates of heaven. It is your choice."
 
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nobcitypool said:
Not true at all. You're an idiot when you attempt to make technical statements when the poster obviously doesn't understand the system and/or spent time at the table working with it. If you tried the system and didn't like it, understand it or whatever, and simply state that, I don't recall anybody calling you an idiot. If you bought the DVD, watched it once, spent 2 hours at the table and then state there's no way the 5 balls on the one YouTube can be pocketed with the same perception ... with all due respect, you're an idiot or some similar adjective.

What would you call someone who has never opened a physics book who turned around and told Hawking his theories on quantum physics are completely erroneous? What if I were having a conversation with John Schmidt and told him his pattern play in 14.1 was completely off?

You have guys like English, who is always trying to offer opinions about almost every aspect of pool but obviously has almost zero real knowledge of CTE, constantly posting their opinions in this forum. And then you have Sartori constantly taking shots even though it is equally obvious he lacks substantial understanding of the system.

If you don't like the system, nobody is going to insult you. If for whatever reason, you feel the need to make false slandering statements about it when you clearly lack understanding, then yeah, you may get some blowback from the CTE advocates. If you believe I'm wrong here, please post some examples proving your point.

FWIW, I will agree with you and others, the system isn't easy to learn. That's been said over and over. No argument. Pool isn't easy to learn. What's the point?
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Enough with the names.
Are you looking for my attention?
 
(((Satori))) said:
The above posts seems very cultish.

"If you leave the congregation you will not be allowed through the gates of heaven. It is your choice."
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Is that all you have to come at me with?

Cult......pathetic

Do you think that can slow my advancement of CTE in any kind of way.

Stan Shuffett
 
(((Satori))) said:
The above posts seems very cultish.

"If you leave the congregation you will not be allowed through the gates of heaven. It is your choice."
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I thought I'd discussed this to the point that I was clear.
If you are in these threads ( any of you ) just to argue and add nothing constructive, you are risking being banned.

I'm really done asking for cooperation on this.

Contribute constructively or stay out.
 
Mr. Wilson said:
Enough with the names.
Are you looking for my attention?
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Dave to the rescue!

It amazes me the amount of sheer anger a few spew over rational discussion about aiming systems. Folks know there's no love lost between ENGLISH and I, but he was asking *legit* questions about the mechanics of CTE, and what constitutes "objective" vs. "subjective" in the visuals. I didn't see anything "insulting" or else caustic in his posts regarding the system. And what's this anger against Danny (SloppyPockets)?? I saw nothing wrong in his posts.

It seems the "move" (from the hip, no less) is to whip that name-calling pistol out at the drop of a hat -- say, someone expresses they couldn't get it to work (as in SloppyPockets). There's no need for it. It is, on the other hand, what keeps any discussion about the system to be a plane missing a wing -- doing the death spiral into the ground.

-Sean
 
Mr. Wilson said:
Enough with the names.
Are you looking for my attention?
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Please read the post again with reference to the quoted post. When I said "... You're an idiot when..." I was speaking in third person and not calling the person I was quoting an idiot. To be clear, ronscuba, I was not calling you an idiot and apologize if it appeared I was. Your posts have been polite and civil.

Apparently it must be okay for 8 pack to keep calling me a turd?
 
stan shuffett said:
If you ever truly understand CTE, you will then know it is a visual system. I have said this over and over.
I can see a visual and do a number of various physical movements to arrive at a shot line but they will all equal a 1/2 tip pivot..... Visual-wise. That is on the pure sweep side of the system.

The manual version is a different story! You'd be hard-pressed to see any differences...from shot to shot. It is all the same.

CTE is seemless at the proficient level, a level that you will never reach. You will never know or experience the amazing specialness about CTE. That is okay with me....It is out there for you and you turn your nose to it rather than fostering a desire to learn it.

Good day and best wishes and it truly is okay with me that can't get it and will not get.

Stan Shuffett
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Mr. Shuffett,

I just erased a long post.

I'll just simply say that I am sorry that you seem to be offended just because I can't see CTE as a totally 'objective' method.

Best Wishes & an Early Merry Christmas,
Rick
 
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nobcitypool said:
Please read the post again with reference to the quoted post. When I said "... You're an idiot when..." I was speaking in third person and not calling the person I was quoting an idiot. To be clear, ronscuba, I was not calling you an idiot and apologize if it appeared I was. Your posts have been polite and civil.

Apparently it must be okay for 8 pack to keep calling me a turd?
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People are heading toward bans.
I'm not mincing words here.

The rules are well known and posted. People that wish to engage in their verbal sparring are heading for disaster.
 
mohrt said:
This is the crux of the CTE controversy. I've explained this multiple times on many threads (the best of my own ability any way), and I'll go ahead and put it here again.

So, question is: how can the same visual pocket a range of angles? If you take the system to the table and actually test it (BTW it takes some acclimation for your eyes/body to "get" the visuals, maybe a couple weeks of effort at first), you will see that what happens is for every CB/OB position, there is a unique physical ball address. So even though VISUALLY the shots use the same alignments, PHYSICALLY they differ ever so slightly. If you watch the YouTube videos Stan posted with the 5 different shots with same visuals, he clearly indicates how his physical alignment at ball address is different for each and every shot. Stan calls this "visual intelligence." It is easy to verify when lining up a visual for a specific shot on the table, the physical ball address is unique every time. Followed by a proper pivot/sweep (again, VISUALLY the same, body follows what the eyes see), you will find the shot line.

So to recap, VISUALLY the alignments/sweeps are obtained the exact same way, but PHYSICALLY our ball address alignments are unique for each and every shot. The way this all tallies up: the placement of the CB/OB on a flat surface with pockets that meet at exactly 90 deg angles affect how our eyes see the visuals, and ultimately affect our physical head/body alignment at ball address. You don't have to think about any of this, you just line up on A/B/C and do a L/R sweep.

Your visual intelligence figures this out given some practice time. When you line up A/B/C and CTEL EXACTLY, the physical ball address is always unique. Ever so slightly, but unique.

That is about all I know. I know its not a perfect explanation, but at the table it is not hard to get it clicking and verify that it works. When you start covering parts of the table with curtains to force yourself to pay attention to CB/OB alignment, it becomes even more clear that it does work.
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How can you say that there's a different ball address here with the same alignment.
That's actually saying there's 5 different angles and 5 different centers you'll get with the same line up....just gotta know what? Something missing. Each shot has it's unique alignment. What makes it so unique? The table...where the balls are ,or the shooter. Your taught to visually connect to A..B..C..1/8..don't see anything as being unique.
 
nobcitypool said:
Please read the post again with reference to the quoted post. When I said "... You're an idiot when..." I was speaking in third person and not calling the person I was quoting an idiot. To be clear, ronscuba, I was not calling you an idiot and apologize if it appeared I was. Your posts have been polite and civil.

Apparently it must be okay for 8 pack to keep calling me a turd?
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Cheese and rice nobber,I was only kidding.:smile:
I figured with all your special abilities you could at least take a joke.
I'll try and be a little more sensitive when replying to you...ok:smile:
 
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nobcitypool said:
I'm an Engineer by degree, spent a lot of my career dealing with Engineers and have spent the majority of my Professional Career dealing in high dollar capital projects. It's been drilled into my head that words are very important.

My point is, you've made comments in a tone that they were fact. They weren't precluded by "In my opinion" or "The way it appears to me".
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Hey, buddy, since words and their proper meanings seem so important to you, I thought I'd take this opportunity to mention that the the word "precluded" might better be replaced by a more fitting one, one that actually makes sense. "Prefaced", perhaps?

I'd speak up now and tell you what I think about you calling me an "idiot", but my desire to remain a contributing member of this fine forum precludes that option.
 
ENGLISH! said:
Mr. Shuffett,

I just erased a long post.

I'll just simply say that I am sorry that you seem to be offended just because I can't see CTE as a totally 'objective' method.

Best Wishes & an Early Merry Christmas,
Rick
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Offended?

Please reread my post. I am not playing word games. I was very clear and quite sincere when I said I do not care if you can't get CTE ..... It is 100% okay with me concerning whatever you think or do with CTE.

Stan Shuffett
 
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