Thanks. I "try" to choose my words carefully. You might even say I'm a good arbiter of such things. :wink:
Stan's New Video Part Deux
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Thanks. I "try" to choose my words carefully. You might even say I'm a good arbiter of such things. :wink:
Thanks for your response, your'e the more reasonable one.
Some of you cte users should take notes from this guy.:smile:
Good luck with your game Mohrt.
Anthony
There are at least 5 of us here where I'm at in podunk Arkansas. Do I need to drag out 995 more just to prove my point? Lol.
As for pros......you can start with Brandon Shuff.
Actually a reasonable guy wouldn't call out others just because they choose to play the game in a different way.
But what would I know? I'm just a stupid bich, right?
Well,
As Gerry (Mohrt) stated-- on both "sides" some are a "bit stubborn"- this section really has become nothin but "who has the longest"-- not one percent respect for another opinion.
Even after years here are 2 hands full of humans, who are not able to but flame- not able to even think about their own behaviour.
I really was for a very long time leader, admin adn helper in some forums-- but I never ever saw such a flameware like here- such an unrespectful behaviour like here. And everyone just acts like "not my fault, the other one started bs. blabla. blablabla
- it s like "Kindergarten". Thanks god in the internet weapons do no t work.....
People really wonder, why some really interested and knowledged humans have lost their fun for AZB- and that s sad.
And for very sure not for a single person- Everyone should put a finger right on their own nose.
Just terrible to see how adults are acting here. A shame.
smooth stroke for everyone anyway.
As Gerry (Mohrt) stated-- on both "sides" some are a "bit stubborn"- this section really has become nothin but "who has the longest"-- not one percent respect for another opinion.
Even after years here are 2 hands full of humans, who are not able to but flame- not able to even think about their own behaviour.
I really was for a very long time leader, admin adn helper in some forums-- but I never ever saw such a flameware like here- such an unrespectful behaviour like here. And everyone just acts like "not my fault, the other one started bs. blabla. blablabla
- it s like "Kindergarten". Thanks god in the internet weapons do no t work.....
People really wonder, why some really interested and knowledged humans have lost their fun for AZB- and that s sad.
And for very sure not for a single person- Everyone should put a finger right on their own nose.
Just terrible to see how adults are acting here. A shame.
smooth stroke for everyone anyway.
You do realize that without the name of the pool hall and the names of the five supposed CTE players there, that constitutes a pretty weak claim, don't you? To take it a step further, would you like to share the predictive algorithm you used to make the leap from five guys in Arkansas to 1,000 CTE users? Lastly, BS is Stan's son. Not all endorsements are created equal, with one coming from a son ranking about as low as possible.
Granting you five guys in AR, and BS, and throwing in the half dozen cult members here, and even Stan himself, you're still 988 players short.
Lou Figueroa
just sayin'
Its never been about who uses it, hopefully you understand that.
Not sure what you know, from the looks of it, you don't either.
No he's not. Scott Lee, Randy G, Stevie Moore, Tyler Styer, Bob Nunley are just a few of the instructors teaching CTE in one form or another. One thousand users in a little low IMO.
PS Just for the record, BS is not Stan's son. It's Brandon Shuff, another very good player.
Lol brandon shuff is isnt stans son
With all due respect Ratta, please re-read your own post. I totally get what you are saying. But, look at it in another light- the light where instead of just calling out one side for nonsense, you call out both sides for nonsense. You are actually doing the exact same thing you don't like.
Maybe, in that light, you will see just why people speak out.
What ever happen to Gerry Williams? He can flat out shoot...
My brother had a pool room for a couple of years; I was a counterman there during that time. In that time, I only met a handful of people that used CTE including myself. The people that were using it were very good pool players, two or three I would consider pro caliber. From my experience, that would put the percentage of users at just a fraction of a percentage point.
I've tried to explain/teach the system to a few people, but was unsuccessful in getting anyone to adopt it, except for one person who was a total beginner. Why was I able to teach that person? I think that since she didn't have any other experience that I had to train over, there was no mental conflicts with how the aiming process/sight picture should be. During the time she came to the poolroom, I went over other concepts of aiming: ghostball, contact point, fractional. After using other aiming methods, she felt she was more comfortable with CTE. Her skill level? She plays APA and is a three, which isn't too bad considering that's all the pool she plays. I did see her occasionally and asked if she was still using CTE; she said she was. Is she still using it? Don't know, room closed in August; haven't seen her since.
Why other people couldn't/wouldn't grasp/use CTE; I think it's because people consciously/subconsciously compare what they already know about aiming. Since it's quite a bit different from other methods of aiming, they become confused/frustrated and decide to stop and go with what has been successful. Myself, I played pool for over twenty years, before I started using it. I wasn't satisfied with my level of play and was looking for a way to advance some. I came upon CTE when I joined AZB in '04 and followed the discussions on it for a few years, until I met one of the people that was involved. He gave me a general overview. I took that and any other information I could come across and applied it to my game. Was I totally successful with it from the beginning? No, since the system information I had was very basic, it took me quite a bit of time, to figure out how to successfully utilize it. One thing I did that most people didn't/won't, I stuck with it. Did I get frustrated? Sure, but I kept looking for answers to improve. A couple of things that helped were understanding the perceptions in 90/90 and Pro-One. No matter what system you use, if you don't put the time in practicing at the table and HAMB, all this discussion is mute:groucho:
It really is a shame that so few people use CTE, as a system it works rather well.
I've tried to explain/teach the system to a few people, but was unsuccessful in getting anyone to adopt it, except for one person who was a total beginner. Why was I able to teach that person? I think that since she didn't have any other experience that I had to train over, there was no mental conflicts with how the aiming process/sight picture should be. During the time she came to the poolroom, I went over other concepts of aiming: ghostball, contact point, fractional. After using other aiming methods, she felt she was more comfortable with CTE. Her skill level? She plays APA and is a three, which isn't too bad considering that's all the pool she plays. I did see her occasionally and asked if she was still using CTE; she said she was. Is she still using it? Don't know, room closed in August; haven't seen her since.
Why other people couldn't/wouldn't grasp/use CTE; I think it's because people consciously/subconsciously compare what they already know about aiming. Since it's quite a bit different from other methods of aiming, they become confused/frustrated and decide to stop and go with what has been successful. Myself, I played pool for over twenty years, before I started using it. I wasn't satisfied with my level of play and was looking for a way to advance some. I came upon CTE when I joined AZB in '04 and followed the discussions on it for a few years, until I met one of the people that was involved. He gave me a general overview. I took that and any other information I could come across and applied it to my game. Was I totally successful with it from the beginning? No, since the system information I had was very basic, it took me quite a bit of time, to figure out how to successfully utilize it. One thing I did that most people didn't/won't, I stuck with it. Did I get frustrated? Sure, but I kept looking for answers to improve. A couple of things that helped were understanding the perceptions in 90/90 and Pro-One. No matter what system you use, if you don't put the time in practicing at the table and HAMB, all this discussion is mute:groucho:
It really is a shame that so few people use CTE, as a system it works rather well.
How about this info I copied off the BCA page?
The Billiards Congress of America says there are about 46 million people playing pool in about 9,000 facilities throughout North America. Ninety-five percent of those people play pool. Only three percent and two percent play carom and snooker respectively.
If you figure only 1% of players have even heard of CTE, that's 460,000 players.
Only 1% of players try it, that's 46,000
Only 1% of the players use it, that's 4,600
So yeah, I think 1,000 is a pretty low estimate.
What's your basis for claiming such a low estimate, 'feel'?
I dunno... maybe watching, playing, and talking to players from across the country at 15 DCCs; playing in open events in Vegas, Chicago, and elsewhere; and spending a few years criss-crossing the US and playing pool in most of the major rooms.
Based on that, 1%? Nah. Not even close, lol. It is very much a fringe thing most guys have never even heard of, much less understand, and even fewer use. You could probably get most of the CTErs in a good-sized elevator.
Lou Figueroa
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His son is Landon Shuffett. Lol.
Brandon Shuff is a pro player out of the Virginia area. If you truly don't know who HE is, then your 15 DCC's, etc. are invalid to this conversation.
FWIW, you were probably within 5 feet of him at one point in Tunica for the Southern Classic. How do I know? I was there. I purposefully only avoided 2 people while I was at that event. You and Mike Dechaine. I actually warmed up right next to Mike and never even acknowledged him. Fast forward 4-5 years now and I'd speak to the guy, since I hear such mixed stories about him.
As for you, I'll probably still pass. Although, I do appreciate you pounding John Barton. I do NOT get along with THAT guy.
Anyway, as for names, even though you'll call it a cop-out, I can't divulge. Myself and CTE instructor Bob Nunley, of course. The other 3 prefer to not discuss it with strangers. Their prerogative. Makes me wonder how many other locals we have that just won't talk about it.
I stick to my made up statement of at least 1000 users. If we have a minimum of 5 in this backwoods area, then I'm sure you can find 995 in the other 49.98 of the states.
I know this.......I've NEVER had more players come up to me to broach any other subject than they have about CTE. It was virtually every single time I was at a room for 6 month period.
Brandon Shuff is a pro player out of the Virginia area. If you truly don't know who HE is, then your 15 DCC's, etc. are invalid to this conversation.
FWIW, you were probably within 5 feet of him at one point in Tunica for the Southern Classic. How do I know? I was there. I purposefully only avoided 2 people while I was at that event. You and Mike Dechaine. I actually warmed up right next to Mike and never even acknowledged him. Fast forward 4-5 years now and I'd speak to the guy, since I hear such mixed stories about him.
As for you, I'll probably still pass. Although, I do appreciate you pounding John Barton. I do NOT get along with THAT guy.
Anyway, as for names, even though you'll call it a cop-out, I can't divulge. Myself and CTE instructor Bob Nunley, of course. The other 3 prefer to not discuss it with strangers. Their prerogative. Makes me wonder how many other locals we have that just won't talk about it.
I stick to my made up statement of at least 1000 users. If we have a minimum of 5 in this backwoods area, then I'm sure you can find 995 in the other 49.98 of the states.
I know this.......I've NEVER had more players come up to me to broach any other subject than they have about CTE. It was virtually every single time I was at a room for 6 month period.
meh. BS/LS, just a case of not enough caffeine. Sue me.
And of course you can't divulge. Everyone knew that going in because that's the CTE default position for defending all bogus claims. Like I said, it's weak.
Lou Figueroa
IMO the best amateur player in Florida uses it. And no i'm not talking about myself
It's cool. Don't use it. Just refrain from bothering those of us that do.
Some people can't wrap their head around algebra. Some players can't wrap their head around CTE.
I figure most are just too cheap to take a lesson. CTE isn't rocket science, but it IS a relatively new way of looking at things. I, for one, love the ease of using constant and consistent reference points.
I have bought a few $200, four hour /$50 an hour lessons, from Dallas West, Ray Martin, and Steve "Cookie Monster" Cook, and tipped another $50.
Go pound sand
Lou Figueroa
I figure for all of that, you'd play better.