Stan's Perception Curtain Video - My Version

What does betting have to do with anything? Why is it always betting with you?

Don't over analyze the video, like I said originally. People who are new to the game could look at the curtain video and believe that it's such an amazing feat that CTE must be awesome. Maybe it is, but it is misleading someone who doesn't know much about anything to say this curtain demonstration (I won't call it a trick) proves anything.

I KNOW Stan could have done it before learning CTE because, well, I don't use CTE and I could do it, too. Also, Stan is a professional player and can make all kinds of shots that I'm sure I can't. That doesn't mean CTE works, and until someone has a clear explanation of the magic step (the one none of us really understands) then I have to remain a skeptic.

No, you could do a FEW set up shots with a little practice. You know the whole blind squirrels and nuts thing?

I see players make incredible kick shots all the time without knowing any kind of kicking system. Can they do it again? Sure in about 200 tries. While the guy who knows a good kicking system will make the same shot FAR more often.

Your commentary assumes that you KNOW what Stan was and was not capable of throughout his life, you assume he was a professional pool player, he is not and was not. You essentially spend the entire time laying your own presumptions on top of untrue statements about CTE.

The fact is you PROBABLY CANNOT do what Stan does with any close degree of consistency because you don't know how Stan does what he does. You ASSUME that you can because you're a decent player, at least you look like a decent player. But the fact is, and the reason I am always willing to BET, is that I know a lot of good and great players who can't make the shots Stan does by feel as consistently as he does them by system. It's that simple.

I will be more than happy to give you the same test I gave Stan. I will challenge you with about a hundred shots and we will see how many of them you can make within three tries. Stan did most of his in one, many in two and a few in three.

You think Stan can do all these shots BECAUSE he has simply spent a lot of time on the table. You're dead wrong.

Stan can take any shot and give me the "key" - in the form of a string of letters and numbers and I can go to the table and OWN that shot in less than three tries. OWN IT, as in from that point on I will always aim it the right way. No practicing it a hundred times, no fudging, no fidgeting, just getting the perception and the coming in the right way and I am aimed right.

That's what you don't get and what you never will get.

You're completely confused about Stan's Lessons in Perception because you refuse to actually LEARN the method. Instead you think you're smart enough that you should be able to figure it out through the videos you have seen online. But you're not smart enough based on your comments.

Look I am glad you are doing these videos even if you're doing them maliciously. And yes I say maliciously because of the language you use. You're doing the same thing all the other negative people have done, putting words in our mouths as if we say this is some kind of magic bullet method. You don't have to do that but you chose to do it.

But I am glad you're doing them because it gives us even more of a platform to reach more people. When you put something up that can be refuted we will refute it.
 
What does betting have to do with anything? Why is it always betting with you?

Don't over analyze the video, like I said originally. People who are new to the game could look at the curtain video and believe that it's such an amazing feat that CTE must be awesome. Maybe it is, but it is misleading someone who doesn't know much about anything to say this curtain demonstration (I won't call it a trick) proves anything.

I KNOW Stan could have done it before learning CTE because, well, I don't use CTE and I could do it, too. Also, Stan is a professional player and can make all kinds of shots that I'm sure I can't. That doesn't mean CTE works, and until someone has a clear explanation of the magic step (the one none of us really understands) then I have to remain a skeptic.

If we put a curtain up then Stan or any other proficient CTE user WILL MAKE MORE SHOTS than a non-cte non-system user.

All you proved is that YOU can make the few shots you tried. Who knows how many times it took you to make all the shots? I mean you said it took you several tries on the last one to figure out the aim.

Guess what?

If you and Stan were there together, you could have moved the object ball left or right and it would have taken you several more tries PER SHOT to figure it out. Stan would have probably nailed each on the first try. That's what the curtain shows.
 
No, you could do a FEW set up shots with a little practice. You know the whole blind squirrels and nuts thing?

I see players make incredible kick shots all the time without knowing any kind of kicking system. Can they do it again? Sure in about 200 tries. While the guy who knows a good kicking system will make the same shot FAR more often.

Your commentary assumes that you KNOW what Stan was and was not capable of throughout his life, you assume he was a professional pool player, he is not and was not. You essentially spend the entire time laying your own presumptions on top of untrue statements about CTE.

The fact is you PROBABLY CANNOT do what Stan does with any close degree of consistency because you don't know how Stan does what he does.

Despite my best efforts to find out. (And you don't know, either, John.)

You ASSUME that you can because you're a decent player, at least you look like a decent player. But the fact is, and the reason I am always willing to BET, is that I know a lot of good and great players who can't make the shots Stan does by feel as consistently as he does them by system. It's that simple.

I will be more than happy to give you the same test I gave Stan. I will challenge you with about a hundred shots and we will see how many of them you can make within three tries. Stan did most of his in one, many in two and a few in three.

You think Stan can do all these shots BECAUSE he has simply spent a lot of time on the table. You're dead wrong.

Stan can take any shot and give me the "key" - in the form of a string of letters and numbers and I can go to the table and OWN that shot in less than three tries. OWN IT, as in from that point on I will always aim it the right way. No practicing it a hundred times, no fudging, no fidgeting, just getting the perception and the coming in the right way and I am aimed right.

That's what you don't get and what you never will get.

You are probably correct. I haven't gotten a reasonable answer in the time I've spent in this forum and have to conclude that I never will. It seems like if you don't "get it" right away your only option as a student is to travel to Kentucky and see Stan. Otherwise you're out of luck.

You're completely confused about Stan's Lessons in Perception because you refuse to actually LEARN the method. Instead you think you're smart enough that you should be able to figure it out through the videos you have seen online. But you're not smart enough based on your comments.

You were the one who advised that everything was out there to learn the method. I offered to pay Stan for a video even if I was able to learn it without the DVD. I'm not smart enough to figure out a system where the instruction is "not yet, not yet, not yeeeet. OK, now I've got it."

Look I am glad you are doing these videos even if you're doing them maliciously. And yes I say maliciously because of the language you use. You're doing the same thing all the other negative people have done, putting words in our mouths as if we say this is some kind of magic bullet method. You don't have to do that but you chose to do it.

Actually I clearly said that if the system appeals to you then by all means you should buy the DVD and learn the method. By the same token I think "trick" is a perfectly acceptable term for the curtain act. If the trick is accomplished through CTE then great.

But I am glad you're doing them because it gives us even more of a platform to reach more people. When you put something up that can be refuted we will refute it.

Honestly, instead of me putting up stuff for you to refute, I'd much rather have you put up stuff that proves that you can achieve different shot outcomes for the same objective visual. That's all I'm asking.
 
If we put a curtain up then Stan or any other proficient CTE user WILL MAKE MORE SHOTS than a non-cte non-system user.

All you proved is that YOU can make the few shots you tried. Who knows how many times it took you to make all the shots? I mean you said it took you several tries on the last one to figure out the aim.

Guess what?

If you and Stan were there together, you could have moved the object ball left or right and it would have taken you several more tries PER SHOT to figure it out. Stan would have probably nailed each on the first try. That's what the curtain shows.

Take the curtain show on the road. Come see me while your out. I'll bet a hundred a shot.
I get to set the curtain, the balls will be rolled on the table until they come to a stop. I call the pocket. I guarantee to lose a grand.
And probably get you a lot of side action on it.
I know the table and what you see as a big deal isnt . what will be a big deal is when you can't recognize how your aline to the table.

This is my deal so don't write back with your nonsense.

Guarantee you.
 
Take the curtain show on the road. Come see me while your out. I'll bet a hundred a shot.
I get to set the curtain, the balls will be rolled on the table until they come to a stop. I call the pocket. I guarantee to lose a grand.
And probably get you a lot of side action on it.
I know the table and what you see as a big deal isnt . what will be a big deal is when you can't recognize how your aline to the table.

This is my deal so don't write back with your nonsense.

Guarantee you.

Go to Stan and bet $1000 a shot. I will pay for your gas and motel to get there and back.

he has two tables, a nine foot Diamond and a ten foot Diamond. You will get BUSTED on both of them.
 
Here you go Dan. Morht does these with no placed balls using CTE. Duplicate it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJyiZuQsDCU

Those shots were pretty straight forward except the two nice bank shots.

You keep missing the point, though. I could just as easily tell you or some newcomer to the game that I used CTE to pocket those blind shots. Video cannot show the method in my head that allowed me to pocket the balls.

You guys don't realize that you are your own worst enemy in this. If Stan went on Shark Tank and asked for $100,000 for a 25% equity in his CTE Pro1 company he would get laughed out of the room. Why? Because the method of instruction is not ready for prime time. Maybe the new book will have something in it that changes that, but from what I've seen so far I doubt it.

Listen, I'm not saying anything you haven't heard before from skeptics who are now labeled haters. If Stan's system really works then he is REALLY his own worst enemy. As I've said many times before, he really needs to figure out a better way to explain the "magic" step that so many of us have a problem with. You guys always ignore this statement, but if that step were made clear you'd have all of us on the bandwagon.
 
Honestly, instead of me putting up stuff for you to refute, I'd much rather have you put up stuff that proves that you can achieve different shot outcomes for the same objective visual. That's all I'm asking.

Sorry can't be bothered to reply to the inline blue stuff. I wish people would learn to use the quote tags properly.

I know how Stan does what he does. I just don't know "the math" that is behind CTE.

But I know the system and so when Stan gives me a set of coordinates and a "key" (sorry Stan I prefer to call the correct perception/visuals/sweep a key) then I can set up that shot and shoot it in the pocket because I know the steps.

I will put up the videos when I am ready to do so. Right now I am working on setting up the new shop and training area. When I have it all set up and can take the time to do videos without interruption is when I will do so.
 
Go to Stan and bet $1000 a shot. I will pay for your gas and motel to get there and back.

he has two tables, a nine foot Diamond and a ten foot Diamond. You will get BUSTED on both of them.

John, I thought you just split tight pockets on the 5 perception shots with the same visual. Sounds to me you are qualified to accept the wager yourself. Put the curtain up since you don't need to see the pocket anyway.
 
No one has claimed CTE works with any curtain configuration. There has to be enough rail showing for the perceptions to work. The curtain is simply to show that you don't need to see the pocket.
 
Those shots were pretty straight forward except the two nice bank shots.

You keep missing the point, though. I could just as easily tell you or some newcomer to the game that I used CTE to pocket those blind shots. Video cannot show the method in my head that allowed me to pocket the balls.

You guys don't realize that you are your own worst enemy in this. If Stan went on Shark Tank and asked for $100,000 for a 25% equity in his CTE Pro1 company he would get laughed out of the room. Why? Because the method of instruction is not ready for prime time. Maybe the new book will have something in it that changes that, but from what I've seen so far I doubt it.

Listen, I'm not saying anything you haven't heard before from skeptics who are now labeled haters. If Stan's system really works then he is REALLY his own worst enemy. As I've said many times before, he really needs to figure out a better way to explain the "magic" step that so many of us have a problem with. You guys always ignore this statement, but if that step were made clear you'd have all of us on the bandwagon.


Who cares if it's ready for prime time? Stan isn't asking for investment. He asks, like Hal did, for people to give it a shot. For CTE currently that means spending time to learn the method properly. Which means buying the dvd and studying each chapter thoroughly.

There is no magic step. There are only steps.

That you dismiss Mohrt's shotmaking is another slap-in-the-face. I mean you made a big deal out of the hole reinforcers on Stan's video implying that he as tricking people with set up shots, completely forgetting to mention that Stan had several other videos with balls just thrown up, and then don't even have the basic decency to admit that Mohrt's video completely debunks your premise.

Stan explains ALL the steps clearly on his videos. You all asked for instruction and he made a DVD, then made a second one with better information and yet you act as though something is being withheld. Nothing is being withheld just you won't go get the instruction you claim to want.

Again, the videos Stan puts out for free are SUPPLEMENTAL for the people who are actual students learning CTE. They are not intended to teach the system. Those of us who know CTE are able to get out of them what Stan wants to impart.

It's really that simple.

You're like some guy who comes into a discussion on building an engine in the middle of the discussion and starts picking apart the material without having a foundation in engine construction.
 
John, I thought you just split tight pockets on the 5 perception shots with the same visual. Sounds to me you are qualified to accept the wager yourself. Put the curtain up since you don't need to see the pocket anyway.

I will. Don't worry about what I will and won't do.

I offer to put Stan in because he is the best practitioner of the CTE method that I know of. Landon and Stevie and Phil may be better, I don't know.

For me the problem is execution. If anyone wants to get a laser out and project the actual shot line after I get down into shooting position then I will bet the world that I am on it.
 
Go to Stan and bet $1000 a shot. I will pay for your gas and motel to get there and back.

he has two tables, a nine foot Diamond and a ten foot Diamond. You will get BUSTED on both of them.

That's what i thought.:wink:
Here's a win win situation for you. Promote the system.


I would get busted, Who knows,but I bet the truth would reveal itself.
And that's what we really want , right smart guy.

I can see it now, STan taking everyone's money, you looking at him all teary eyed, saying your my hero.:smile:
 

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That's what i thought.:wink:
Here's a win win situation for you. Promote the system.


I would get busted, Who knows,but I bet the truth would reveal itself.
And that's what we really want , right smart guy.

I can see it now, STan taking everyone's money, you looking at him all teary eyed, saying your my hero.:smile:

Yeah the truth that you have no clue what you're talking about and that Stan backs up everything he says.

I would get a little teary when you have to apologize to Stan.

Meanwhile, my table is set up. You're welcome to come to OKC any time you save a few dollars.

Anthony I really don't have anything against you. You started being nasty to me simply because you don't like Stan. I am sure if you ever did show up that we would get along fine. Instead of arguing I would prefer if we players had "jam" sessions where we worked on this stuff together. That's what my new spot is all about. I am truly TIRED of these war of words bullshit and where they go.

I don't see any end to them however as long as each of us stays locked into our own little worlds. Which is why I will take groups of players and make videos where this stuff is discussed among us and people can see that it's not just "me" making claims but instead it's a group working out the methods and discussing them ON THE TABLE.

While I would gladly and confidently bet on Stan I would much rather not even have to make such offers. To me anyone who is interested should be making plans to visit him and work out together. or to visit me, or mohrt or gerry or Dave Stem or Dave Segal. Instead of arguing why not just plan to get together and spend a day on the table finding common ground?
 
While I would gladly and confidently bet on Stan I would much rather not even have to make such offers. To me anyone who is interested should be making plans to visit him and work out together. or to visit me, or mohrt or gerry or Dave Stem or Dave Segal. Instead of arguing why not just plan to get together and spend a day on the table finding common ground?

JB - where are all the CTE experts located in New Jersey? If you can find one willing I will make a trip to his pool room and see what I am missing.
 
JB - where are all the CTE experts located in New Jersey? If you can find one willing I will make a trip to his pool room and see what I am missing.

Make a post and ask.

But given how you have went about things here I don't know that many would be willing to help you.
 
And Dan, no making balls with a curtain in the way doesn't CONFIRM that CTE works.

It demonstrates what's possible when using CTE. As long as the basic premise of honesty is there in that there is NO REASON for the presenter to LIE about what he is doing then any such demonstration shows what a person using CTE can accomplish.

Which means that ANYONE can go to the table and try to duplicate the results using whatever method they can. IF they can duplicate the shots with the same or better rate of success then they know they don't need to change anything. If they CANNOT duplicate it then MAYBE they might want to look into CTE.

That's the purpose of such demonstrations.

Stan can do his shots consistently. Can you?

Can you duplicate the other curtain videos Stan did? How about the five way shot ending with a three railer?
 
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