Statement from The Legends of Pocket Billiards
- Thread starter lfigueroa
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I was told that it was stopped from the regular stream on purpose.
I should've known better than listen to this guy.
As much as I've seen of your and Bobby's post's and Bobby's announcements, I couldn't foresee anything underhanded going on.
My apologies to you and Bobby and I'll be looking for it to come out.
Yeah, thanks. I guess I must’ve missed that post, or was that your post basically telling us this would remain a tightly held secret, and how dare we ask?
Not to mention that the photo with the calipers everyone is now having an aneurism over has been online since quite some time before SVB did the first session, and the people accusing Legends of only wanting to break Schmidt’s record (I don’t see why this is a problem to begin with, records are made to be broken no?) are only now brandishing pitchforks when the record seems to have been broken.
I think I just gave myself an aneurism.
Take another good look at that photo you’re referring to posted of the corner pocket with the calipers, showing 4.95” on the digital readout. If I knew how to copy and post it here I would, but I don’t.
Did you ever happen to notice that due to the angle that the photo was taken, likely intentionally, you can’t see past the calipers to see if that measurement is taken at the true mouth, or might have been taken from significantly inside the mouth, and no one would ever know? That photo reveals absoltely nothing definitive to me!
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john still deserves credit here. i dont believe there would have been any interest without the record he put up .
kanzzo
hobby player
I studied psychology, I studied lying (in the context of picking up bluffs in poker). This reaction ^^ in combination with the following answer...
makes it very likely you were lying about the table specs the whole time. Studies in psychology show, people hate actually lying so they like to say the truth if this distracts from the honest answer. Like a player sitting on quads in poker will say "I am in the mood for some gamble, I never have full house" (no he doesn't, he has four of a kind, he beats every full house you might have).
Same here. Answering "your tables have 5 1/4'' pockets" with "photo is showing a hair under 5"
If you lied once you probably lied more, naively thinking nobody will find out. So (my impression is now) you (Legends organisators) have no integrity, wanted to spend some money to break the record from John Schmidt and you would have succeeded playing it fair. But you didn't believe you could find someone to break it on a fair equipment, so you cheated with your table to get the record broke. And now Jayson should sue you for the damage to his image, since he would have broken the record on regular 5'' GC but now he is part of your cheating community.
As long as you make an entertaining stream with players you invite from your money, you can make table specifications whatever you like. But if you want a new official world record, you shouldn't be cheating. And having the pockets bigger then 5 1/4'' but repeating in multiple threads over hundreds of posts that this is a 5'' GC goes beyond some small mistake in hiring an unable table mechanic.
As much as I was astonished by the perfomance of the invited players and Jayson in particular, I would strongly advise BCA to not approve this world record because of these mentioned willfull cheating to break the record of John Schmidt.
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kanzzo
hobby player
the photo with the calipers was the only one we had before, so "innocent until proven guilty" we believed the pockets to be fair.
After his record run Jayson showed on video, how big the pockets actually were. Knowing the size of the pool balls now it's visible for everyone that Lou gave us wrong information before. And now it makes sense to make such a big deal of not sharing the table specifications. Because even Lou and Bobby don't believe 5 1/4'' pockets to be fair.
I totally agree, that records are made to be broken. And I have no problem with going for it (either yourself or inviting talented players to do it sponsoring it with your money). I have a problem with Frankenstein tables with 7 '' pockets (this is where this is heading if not stopped).
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We can thank Jayson for having the integrity to show us even if no one else did. The horse is now out of the barn and it will be interesting to see how the organizer’s damage control strategy plays out at this point.
I guess we’ll soon find out whether this AZ Billiards forum has any influence at all among the power players in the pool world.
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yes, digital calipers don't say very much in a photo. i use a vernier caliper more often than a digital in my carpentry and welding projects nowadays. no need for battery or reset. i guess the resetting is the issue here.
No, look again at the photo. It’s a matter of setting the caliper inner points precisely on both mouth points in order to take an accurate measurement. Can you honestly confirm that is the case in this photo? It’s simple, if you’re not intentionally looking to deceive your audience.
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it's also displaying an inch > 10 cm
kanzzo
hobby player
there are so many threads talking about same theme, I couldn't find it to repost. But I read earlier this evening somewhere Bob Jewett providing BCA table specifications for something like the last 70 years. And there were never allowed pockets bigger than 5 1/8 ''
edit found it: https://forums.azbilliards.com/threads/a-new-model-for-14-1-high-runs.539437/post-7165485
edit found it: https://forums.azbilliards.com/threads/a-new-model-for-14-1-high-runs.539437/post-7165485
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Absolutely not true. The video was NEVER stopped at anytime. Please refer to our official statement that Lou posted up and also on Our Fb page The legends of Pocket Billiards. There will be no replies to anything else for now
telinoz
Registered
Definitive.