Stats -- Van Boening vs. Compton One-Pocket Race to 24, August 2022

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Here are some results from the Shane Van Boening vs. Chip Compton One-Pocket match played August 26-28, 2022 at The Rockin' Cue in Harlingen, Texas. Pay-per-view live streaming was provided by Omega Billiards.

This match was a 3-day race to 24 games, with play stopping each day when the leader reached multiples of 8. The main commentator was Josh Roberts, with Omega's Steven Wyatt assisting at times. Van Boening won the match 24-10, outscoring Compton each day.

Conditions -- The conditions for this match included:
- Diamond 9-foot table with 4¼" corner pockets and blue Simonis cloth about 2 weeks old;​
- triangle rack;​
- rack your own with alternating breaks;​
- re-break if a ball is made on the break;​
- no shot clock;​
- loss of game for committing 3 consecutive fouls;​
- apparently foul on all balls, because Van Boening called one on himself; and​
- lag for opening break on first day (won by Van Boening)​

Match results, in games (Van Boening's score first)
Day 1 -- 8 - 3​
Day 2 -- 8 - 2 (2-day total 16 - 5)​
Day 3 -- 8 - 5​
Total -- 24 - 10​

Games won by breaker
Van Boening -- 15 of 17 (88%)​
Compton -- 8 of 17 (47%)​
Total -- 23 of 34 (68%)​

Breaks by side of table (viewing from head to foot)
Van Boening -- Broke from his right all 17 times (15 wins, 2 losses).​
Compton -- Broke from his right 12 times (6 wins, 6 losses) and from his left 5 times (2 wins, 3 losses).​

Games won by player who scored the first point (or had it scored for him)
Van Boening -- 18 of 20 (90%)​
Compton -- 8 of 14 (57%)​
Total -- 26 of 34 (76%)​

Scratches on the break -- None

Balls made on the break -- Twice, both by Van Boening (Games 1 and 23); he re-broke.

Three consecutive fouls -- None

Games in which the player had the lead at some point
Van Boening -- 26 games, his 24 wins plus 2 games he lost.​
Compton -- 17 games, his 10 wins plus 7 games he lost.​

Ball counts by length of run -- The total ball counts resulted from the following runs and fouls. Counts are given for Van Boening first, then Compton, then the total.
1 ball -- 18 times, 18 times, 36 times​
2 balls -- 7, 4, 11​
3 balls -- 5, 3, 8​
4 balls -- 2, 6, 8​
5 balls -- 2, 4, 6​
6 balls -- 2, 2, 4​
7 balls -- 4, 1, 5​
8 balls -- 10, 3, 13​
9 balls -- 2, 0, 2​
Plus balls pocketed by opponent -- 6, 9, 15​
Minus fouls -- 10, 15, 25​
TOTAL ball count -- 199, 116, 315​
Average game score -- 8 - 1.5 for games won by Van Boening, 8 - 0.7 for games won by Compton, 8 - 1.3 in total.​

Distribution of run-outs to win the games. Counts are given for Van Boening first, then Compton, then the total.
1 ball -- 6 times, 3 times, 9 times (26% of the 34 games)​
2 balls -- 1, 1, 2​
3 balls -- 1, 1, 2​
4 balls -- 1, 2, 3​
5 balls -- 0, 0, 0​
6 balls -- 2, 0, 2​
7 balls -- 1, 0, 1​
8 or 9 balls -- 12, 3, 15 (44%)​
Average (mean) "out" run -- 5.1 balls​
Average (median) "out" run -- 6 balls​

Distribution of lengths of games
Under 10 minutes -- 11 games (32% of the 34 games)​
10 - 19 min. -- 15​
20 - 29 min. -- 6​
30 - 59 min. -- 2 (longest 55 min., on Day 1)​
60+ min. -- 0​
Total -- 34​

Match length (including racking and timeouts)
Day 1 -- 3 hours, 48 minutes​
Day 2 -- 2 hours, 4 min.​
Day 3 -- 3 hours, 25 min.​
Total -- 9 hours, 17 min.​

Average minutes per game
Day 1 -- 20.7 (approx. 18.7 counting two brief timeouts but not counting 1 lengthy timeout of about 22 minutes)​
Day 2 -- 12.4 (no timeouts)​
Day 3 -- 15.8 (14.8 not counting the one timeout of about 12 min.)​
Total -- 16.4 (15.4)​
 
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Thanks fot the stats AtLarge 👍
stat that stands out to me
shane TEN 8n out/ TWO 9n out
chip THREE 8n out /ZERO 9n out
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16.4 MINUTES per game average
” onepocket is so slow if you sneeze you miss the game “ 😂😂😂😂
 
RIP 'moving one-pocket'. The days of 'bunt-n-hide' are OVER. Deader than HulaHoop. Today's players have so much firepower its insane. Defense is still part of it for sure but if you don't possess SERIOUS pocketing skills you're gettin' run over. We just saw a guy who, by his own admission, is basically a now-n-then 1p player(he does own a couple DCC 1p crowns btw) put on a fireworks display of offense. Hope he plays the russian kid some.
 
RIP 'moving one-pocket'. The days of 'bunt-n-hide' are OVER. Deader than HulaHoop. Today's players have so much firepower its insane. Defense is still part of it for sure but if you don't possess SERIOUS pocketing skills you're gettin' run over. We just saw a guy who, by his own admission, is basically a now-n-then 1p player(he does own a couple DCC 1p crowns btw) put on a fireworks display of offense. Hope he plays the russian kid some.
Great post.

As others on the forum have suggested at times, the match that may have opened our eyes to this more than any other was the Filler vs Chohan "race to 30" match in which Tony learned the hard way that the chances that could always be safely given to an opponent had to be rethought.

I think the moves game will still work against most, as Josh Roberts showed us at the 2022 Derby on route to the final, but against the most elite ball-pocketers, like Filler and Gorst, defensive theory in one pocket may need a rewrite.

As Ronnie Allen used to say, the best defense is eight and out.
 
RIP 'moving one-pocket'. The days of 'bunt-n-hide' are OVER. Deader than HulaHoop. Today's players have so much firepower its insane. Defense is still part of it for sure but if you don't possess SERIOUS pocketing skills you're gettin' run over. We just saw a guy who, by his own admission, is basically a now-n-then 1p player(he does own a couple DCC 1p crowns btw) put on a fireworks display of offense. Hope he plays the russian kid some.
Totally agree if your talking about the absolute top tier players, for us more "mortal" players the game is still there.
 
Totally agree if your talking about the absolute top tier players, for us more "mortal" players the game is still there.
For sure. I'm talking strictly about the elite level. That being said even at lower levels stronger pocketing outruns 'moves' most of the time. If you can't come with a decent run when its there what good are the moves that got you there?
 
RIP 'moving one-pocket'. The days of 'bunt-n-hide' are OVER. Deader than HulaHoop. Today's players have so much firepower its insane. Defense is still part of it for sure but if you don't possess SERIOUS pocketing skills you're gettin' run over. We just saw a guy who, by his own admission, is basically a now-n-then 1p player(he does own a couple DCC 1p crowns btw) put on a fireworks display of offense. Hope he plays the russian kid some.
Looking that way, hiding just isn’t possible. These guys have so much more fire power that when they do get a shot they run more balls.

A interesting stat from matches played in the 80’s/90’s compared to say 2018-now would be balls per inning or BPI. My guess is it’s sharply higher now than back then. Sure looks that way

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Fatboy
 
Looking that way, hiding just isn’t possible. These guys have so much more fire power that when they do get a shot they run more balls.

A interesting stat from matches played in the 80’s/90’s compared to say 2018-now would be balls per inning or BPI. My guess is it’s sharply higher now than back then. Sure looks that way

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Fatboy
Stats mygoodness... seems nothing stays... Guy
 
Looking that way, hiding just isn’t possible. These guys have so much more fire power that when they do get a shot they run more balls.

A interesting stat from matches played in the 80’s/90’s compared to say 2018-now would be balls per inning or BPI. My guess is it’s sharply higher now than back then. Sure looks that way

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Fatboy
My mind says no , but the stats says yes...
 
Great post.

As others on the forum have suggested at times, the match that may have opened our eyes to this more than any other was the Filler vs Chohan "race to 30" match in which Tony learned the hard way that the chances that could always be safely given to an opponent had to be rethought.

I think the moves game will still work against most, as Josh Roberts showed us at the 2022 Derby on route to the final, but against the most elite ball-pocketers, like Filler and Gorst, defensive theory in one pocket may need a rewrite.

As Ronnie Allen used to say, the best defense is eight and out.
The Tony and Filler match was a race to 21 not 30 on pretty big pockets. Would it have gone differently with tighter pockets and a longer race, who knows? I hope they play again in the future.
 
The Tony and Filler match was a race to 21 not 30 on pretty big pockets. Would it have gone differently with tighter pockets and a longer race, who knows? I hope they play again in the future.
I only saw bits and pieces of it and don't recall the pockets being loose. I thought it was played on the same "Roy's Basement" table on which Aranas played Filler shortly before, which was not loose. That said, I made it clear that I was noting that other posters on AZB saw the Filler vs Chohan match as the one that set the stage for what has come to pass in one pocket.
 
I only saw bits and pieces of it and don't recall the pockets being loose. I thought it was played on the same "Roy's Basement" table on which Aranas played Filler shortly before, which was not loose. That said, I made it clear that I was noting that other posters on AZB saw the Filler vs Chohan match as the one that set the stage for what has come to pass in one pocket.
Yes, standard pro-cut Diamond table. Here's some info on the Filler/Chohan match: https://forums.azbilliards.com/threads/stats-filler-vs-chohan-one-pocket-race-to-21-may-2020.512091/. 63% of the games were under 10 minutes! But the breaker won just 42% of the games in that match vs. 68% in this match (and for the winners -- 47% for Filler vs. 88% for Van Boening).
 
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Yes, standard pro-cut Diamond table. Here's some info on the Filler/Chohan match: https://forums.azbilliards.com/threads/stats-filler-vs-chohan-one-pocket-race-to-21-may-2020.512091/. 63% of the games were under 10 minutes! But the breaker won just 42% of the games in that match vs. 68% in this match (and for the winners -- 47% for Filler vs. 88% for Van Boening).
Thanks for that. It would have been hard to imagine Filler agreeing to play on anything but tough equipment.
 
Average game score -- 8 - 1.5 for games won by Van Boening, 8 - 0.7 for games won by Compton
8 or 9 balls -- 12, 3, 15 (44%)Average (mean) "out" run -- 5.1 ballsAverage (median) "out" run -- 6 balls
I didn't watch the match but it looks like once they started scoring, they got out a lot. It seems odd that Compton won less but had a larger margin of victory. Thanks for the stats!
 
I remember Tony saying something about his foot or some other problem that affected his play.
The old saying is" if you are injured, don`t play, if you play you are not injured". I doubt if it applies here, I would be more sympathetic if his neck hurt.
 
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