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THE SILENCER
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what gives here? steve davis keeps getting robbed. he is without a doubt one of the greatest cueists of our time, and yet, fails to win the world 9-ball championships in cardiff. i say, i hope he wins in 2004.
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instroke
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Got robbed? I would say he got beat. His performance is worthy of note though. Two years ago he beat three world champions to get to the final six I think.
John
John
Maybe he needs lessons. lol
Steve's weak break and lack of power stroke will never win him a world 9-ball imo.
Steve's weak break and lack of power stroke will never win him a world 9-ball imo.
There are certain elements in 9-Ball that require the use of power stroking, of course breaking, and then banking and kicking.
I do well on the west coast, but I have yet to win anything big. Coming close (many times) to this pinnicle hope of my short-term playing goals, I do recognize one thing in all players that do win, like Palmer, Gemito, Paez, Martinez, Kang, Chohan (it's always a tough field), but the winner always has (1) a great break, (2) solid banks and kicks, and (3) the ability to power stroke a shot when necessary.
So I agree with Joseph Cues.
The other thing I mention, and is just a thought, but if all good players would play their best game in competition, we would all accomplish our goals. This is where emotional control "of oneself" must be mentioned.
I do well on the west coast, but I have yet to win anything big. Coming close (many times) to this pinnicle hope of my short-term playing goals, I do recognize one thing in all players that do win, like Palmer, Gemito, Paez, Martinez, Kang, Chohan (it's always a tough field), but the winner always has (1) a great break, (2) solid banks and kicks, and (3) the ability to power stroke a shot when necessary.
So I agree with Joseph Cues.
The other thing I mention, and is just a thought, but if all good players would play their best game in competition, we would all accomplish our goals. This is where emotional control "of oneself" must be mentioned.
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You must have been watching a different Steve Davis than I was. When he beat Efren in the WPC he was down eight games and the last game to win the match he had to make a table lenth reverse cut bank shot. In the 2002 Mosconi cup he matched Strickland shot for shot and out for out.
I don't care WHO you are - getting as far as Steve did in the WPC means you are a world class nine ball player. Beating three former world champions in the process means you are world championship caliber.
John
I don't care WHO you are - getting as far as Steve did in the WPC means you are a world class nine ball player. Beating three former world champions in the process means you are world championship caliber.
John
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Re: Re: Steve Davis Robbed!
Just to get something straight. In my mind, Snooker, a game which Steve Davis is one of the greatest players to ever grace the tables. Requires a hell of a lot of power at times but with more control than you would ever need on a 9 Ball table.
You try making a full table length power shot, and come of 3 rails for position. Steve can, and does! Watch some old Alex Higgins fottage, that is power and control!
Did you not watch the Mosconi Cup? Did Steve not play 3 rail position shots there, I seem to remember a few. Hey, there are just as many rails on a Snooker table.... Then again, snoooker's eeeasy, massive pockets, really close together. 9 Bal must be a real struggle for a player of Steve's calibre
buddha162 said:
Just to get something straight. In my mind, Snooker, a game which Steve Davis is one of the greatest players to ever grace the tables. Requires a hell of a lot of power at times but with more control than you would ever need on a 9 Ball table.
You try making a full table length power shot, and come of 3 rails for position. Steve can, and does! Watch some old Alex Higgins fottage, that is power and control!
Did you not watch the Mosconi Cup? Did Steve not play 3 rail position shots there, I seem to remember a few. Hey, there are just as many rails on a Snooker table.... Then again, snoooker's eeeasy, massive pockets, really close together. 9 Bal must be a real struggle for a player of Steve's calibre
i don't care how many matches he won and who he beat....he hasn't won anything playing 9-ball...hell i've won tons of matches playing 9-ball and i'm barely above an average player...yes he is a great snooker player but when it comes to 9-ball when the heat is on he cant get there
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i've read all your replys, and now allow me to answer. STEVE DAVIS DESERVES to sweep 2004 clean!!!!!! his 9-ball is as good as anyone in the world, and as far as power strokes and kicking, that is non sense. watch the tape of steve comming back to beat efren at the world championships, his playing is brilliant, pristine, and cautious, he is well long over due to be knighted sir steve davis, and shall be crowned the 2004 wpc at cardiff. amen.
Pool players around the world would be wise to rally behind Steve, as he would be the best ambassador for pool we could ever hope for! Skill, grace, eloquence, etiquette - this is a man that a mother would not mind her son growing up to be. Until there's a lot more like Steve around, the image of our game will continue to be haunted by its "Hustler" stereotype.
Could he win the WPC? Absolutely. He's beat 'em all at one time or another...
Could he win the WPC? Absolutely. He's beat 'em all at one time or another...
THE SILENCER said:
He can join Sir Elton John, Sir Beatles (1 and All), and Sir Mick Jagger. LOL, what a joke all the British phoniness and crap about knighthood is. Bring a bunch of money into England and you're eligible for knighthood. What a pretentious bunch of smucks.
Davis gets by on a 9-ball table due to tremendous potting ability and a life long honed ability to play under extreme pressure from his snooker days. He does not have a great 9-ball game and still strokes the ball far too much like a snooker player, it is damn good but he will never win the worlds, he will likely never get to 6th again in his lifetime. His style is not suited to the game of 9-ball like it was for snooker.
Now if Ronnie ever took up 9-ball everyone might as well go home. That guys stroke has twice as much power and fluidity then anyone else on the snooker tour. His game and stroke would make the transision to 9-ball pool very easily and he would dominate virtually everyone. He is the only snooker player I think that could humble the pool world, but he is busy humbleing the snooker world atm so we are safe.
Now if Ronnie ever took up 9-ball everyone might as well go home. That guys stroke has twice as much power and fluidity then anyone else on the snooker tour. His game and stroke would make the transision to 9-ball pool very easily and he would dominate virtually everyone. He is the only snooker player I think that could humble the pool world, but he is busy humbleing the snooker world atm so we are safe.
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catscradle said:
Sir Elton John became such not for money but his lifelong devotion to producing quality music, The Beatles got it for transforming the pop world (or is that creating it) and Mick, well he can speak for himself.
Perhaps they should drop their Knighthoods and run for Govenor of California?
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Celtic said:
Although I disagreee with the coment on Steve, as I think he has proved himself more than capable of breating the very best. Convincingly too! Ronnie! Oh yes Ronnie would kill the lot of 'em if he wanted too.. Thank god for the 9-Ball community that he doesn't
The ageless question arises again. I'll share my opinion.
Steve Davis, a legend on snooker table and now plays mostly pool. Still has some defects in his pool game and is not perfect, but who is ? A great cueist I might add. But, there are maybe 10 players in the world who can totally shut you out. Pagulayan, Reyes, Bustamante, Immonen, Yang, Souquet, Archer, Strickland and nowadays maybe Hohmann, Hsia etc. So my point is, any of these players can beat you no matter how good cueist you are or how can you handle the pressure, you have to get to the table first. Look what happened to Souquet vs. Yang; Ralf leading 3-0 and then got 2 visits at the table, both of them safeties, result 9-3 to Yang. Then Immonen dropped out to Yang 11-4 as well with Yang making everything on the break and Immonen getting only a few visits at the table. Then Yang made maybe 2-3 mistakes against the steaming hot Strickland and lost 11-9. Then Davis fell to Strickland 11-9 after missing a simple cut with a rest(!!) at 10-9. He's just human after all...
If you didn't bother reading the paragraph above I'll rephrase: if there are 10 players who can totally shut you out, the probability of Steve Davis winning the WPC next year might be less than .100, because nothing makes him better as the few example names I mentioned. Don't get me wrong, I admire Steve Davis a lot and I think he could easily win the WPC, but he would need some luck as well. Running out of luck shouldn't be concerned as being robbed.
Personally, I'd like to see Django, Yang, Pagulayan and Davis to take the title, because none of them has it yet, but would deserve it.
Just my $.02
Steve Davis, a legend on snooker table and now plays mostly pool. Still has some defects in his pool game and is not perfect, but who is ? A great cueist I might add. But, there are maybe 10 players in the world who can totally shut you out. Pagulayan, Reyes, Bustamante, Immonen, Yang, Souquet, Archer, Strickland and nowadays maybe Hohmann, Hsia etc. So my point is, any of these players can beat you no matter how good cueist you are or how can you handle the pressure, you have to get to the table first. Look what happened to Souquet vs. Yang; Ralf leading 3-0 and then got 2 visits at the table, both of them safeties, result 9-3 to Yang. Then Immonen dropped out to Yang 11-4 as well with Yang making everything on the break and Immonen getting only a few visits at the table. Then Yang made maybe 2-3 mistakes against the steaming hot Strickland and lost 11-9. Then Davis fell to Strickland 11-9 after missing a simple cut with a rest(!!) at 10-9. He's just human after all...
If you didn't bother reading the paragraph above I'll rephrase: if there are 10 players who can totally shut you out, the probability of Steve Davis winning the WPC next year might be less than .100, because nothing makes him better as the few example names I mentioned. Don't get me wrong, I admire Steve Davis a lot and I think he could easily win the WPC, but he would need some luck as well. Running out of luck shouldn't be concerned as being robbed.
Personally, I'd like to see Django, Yang, Pagulayan and Davis to take the title, because none of them has it yet, but would deserve it.
Just my $.02
Steve Davis is one of the greatest cuemen ever. He controlled the snooker game in the 80's, and has won multiple titles and over £6 million in prize money. I am sure if Steve gave snooker up for a season and concentrated and practiced at 9ball, then he could get far in tournaments, maybe win some. You make good points when you say he needs to work on his breaking, as Steve even on the break is to technical, he doesnt let his arm flow to get the motion you need on a break.
Look at Tony Drago. Most people from the States might not know him, he plays on the Snooker Tour, he practiced 9-ball solid for a month of so with a few guys from the UK in London, just before the World Champs, he eventually came 3rd in that, won a major tournament matchroomsport put on (Masters or Pool League, cannot remember), and did well in Europe in a ranking event.
If these snooker players put their minds to it, they can accomplish things at 9-ball for sure.
Look at Tony Drago. Most people from the States might not know him, he plays on the Snooker Tour, he practiced 9-ball solid for a month of so with a few guys from the UK in London, just before the World Champs, he eventually came 3rd in that, won a major tournament matchroomsport put on (Masters or Pool League, cannot remember), and did well in Europe in a ranking event.
If these snooker players put their minds to it, they can accomplish things at 9-ball for sure.
here we go again...who won the mosconi cup this year?was it europe...i didn't think so...davis beat earl one short race to 5..look at the head to head record and then say something...and if that's not convincing enough then bring steve over here and stake him against earl and see how you like it...steve is a pro level player but he can't even caddy for earl