Stevie Moore parallel shots CTE video

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All I'll add right now is that learning CTE wasn't the worst thing I did for my game, but quitting it was surely the best.

With that being said, I do still look forward to purchasing Stan's book.

I will just add that I can square you away to where you won't quit. I can understand why some quit because if all of the pieces of the puzzle are not 100%!in place, it's becomes another feel ordeal. For reasons that will forever be known to my wife and I only, I stayed with it.
Early on, I knew there was something inherently special with CTE and could not put my finger on it. I had plenty of reason to not quit. I am glad that I stayed the course.

Stan Shuffett
 
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All I'll add right now is that learning CTE wasn't the worst thing I did for my game, but quitting it was surely the best.

With that being said, I do still look forward to purchasing Stan's book.

I can understand that and it makes complete sense.

I did the same thing with chess. Putting in the time to learn, study, and practice wasn't something I had time for or wanted to do and I kept losing.

Now I'm a much better checkers and backgammon player.

(I won't be looking forward to ever going back to chess)
 
I actually find that's a legitimate con for CTE. The system is precise, when in reality people are not. If you get lazy with the visuals, you miss. If you get lazy with your pivot, you miss.

Trying to pivot by the exact same amount sideways isn't very intuitive, and sometimes for w.e reason your body will fight the inclination to turn sideways (ex: Shooting over a ball, I'll tend to land thicker, because my body just doesn't want to rotate).

Also I think ghostball aiming etc has an advantage in the sense that you're lining up to something in the distance instead of the cueball directly in front of you. Is it easier to drive in a straight line by looking down the road, or at the hood of your car?

Also if you're looking at the object ball and then landing straight on the shot line, if you're off you could probably still make the ball within reason.

With CTE, you're essentially rotating around the cueball to get an alignment to the object ball that also share a relationship based on rotation. Then you rotate into the shot line. I find if you're off at any of those rotations, the errors magnify because you're dealing with angles of rotation instead of just mm's left or right of a target.

So essentially you're picking up your visuals at an offset, aligning at an offset, landing with another offset, and if you want to put english on the ball, you're using back hand english, which means offsetting your cue. When it's all said and done, sometimes beginner me didn't even know which direction to stroke straight even was.

I think the biggest strength and weakness of CTE is actually how precise it is. Precision requires precision. It's not ever going to make a person who is lousy at aiming better at aiming. But it gives a person with the visual knowledge to be precise, a tool in which to be precise with.

Yes you've reduce all the shots on the table into 4 categories that you repeat the same way every time, but it's a pretty complicated process to repeat the same way every time.

Suddenly difficult cut shots become relatively easy, BUT, since you're following the same steps for any shot regardless of what it is, the same way, every time, the truth is now your easy shots are just as difficult as your hard ones. I feel like this catch is the main thing people never talk about.

That's why I don't think CTE is some magic pill. You're kind of just shifting your percentages around. Instead of being someone who can make easy shots a high percentage of the time, and harder ones, less so, you're pretty much even across the board and with that comes it's advantages and disadvantages.

I do believe that CTE is potent when you've completely mastered it, and all shots become easy across the board.

I think CTE can make a person an A player or better really quickly in a very attainable sense. It definitely speeds up the process from beginner to advanced if you apply yourself and are willing to grit down.

I honestly don't think CTE will ever make someone one of the greats. I think beautiful pool is too organic and natural to be restricted to something so rigid. I'm not sure if you can create true art with just CTE. (This parts a completely personal belief.)

Sorry for the rant, I use CTE exclusively and I love it. I just wanted to present a different perspective instead of the default one (Being super defensive and butthurt by people asking perfectly reasonable questions. I really don't know how that's supposed to make CTE more popular)

Have to spread rep around first. Great post.
 
I can understand that and it makes complete sense.

I did the same thing with chess. Putting in the time to learn, study, and practice wasn't something I had time for or wanted to do and I kept losing.

Now I'm a much better checkers and backgammon player.

(I won't be looking forward to ever going back to chess)

I put in 2 years of practice with CTE for what it's worth.

Then it finally hit me. Whether I figure out which visuals and pivot to use, or I just see the line from the CB to the OB. I still have to practice the shots. I decided to take the simpler path. After all, why wouldn't I if both methods result in the balls being pocketed.

I'm not going to say CTE doesn't work, but it's unnecessarily complicated.
 
I put in 2 years of practice with CTE for what it's worth.



Then it finally hit me. Whether I figure out which visuals and pivot to use, or I just see the line from the CB to the OB. I still have to practice the shots. I decided to take the simpler path. After all, why wouldn't I if both methods result in the balls being pocketed.



I'm not going to say CTE doesn't work, but it's unnecessarily complicated.



Maybe for the easiest of shots. The tougher cuts, longer shots, and banks are where it shines. The important thing is consistency. All shots are approached in the same manner.
 
I put in 2 years of practice with CTE for what it's worth.

Then it finally hit me. Whether I figure out which visuals and pivot to use, or I just see the line from the CB to the OB. I still have to practice the shots. I decided to take the simpler path. After all, why wouldn't I if both methods result in the balls being pocketed.

I'm not going to say CTE doesn't work, but it's unnecessarily complicated.

We can disagree about your complication assertion. If CTE is properly learned, the process is dead simple, simple beyond words.

It's like lining up a to a straight in shot, shot after shot.

Stan Shuffett
 
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I put in 2 years of practice with CTE for what it's worth.

Then it finally hit me. Whether I figure out which visuals and pivot to use, or I just see the line from the CB to the OB. I still have to practice the shots. I decided to take the simpler path. After all, why wouldn't I if both methods result in the balls being pocketed.

I'm not going to say CTE doesn't work, but it's unnecessarily complicated.

Hey, I wasn't trying to slam you about the chess story. It's true. It was too complicated, I wanted to take a simpler path, not put in a lot of time and be more successful.

I don't care to go back to it. Apparently you still have an interest which is why you're looking forward to the book. Stan said he'd help. How much better does it get than that?

Good for you. SERIOUSLY.
 
Yes: As much as I believe that it's not fractional aiming with subconscious adjustments, that is not actual proof. Until we develop the technology for you to enter my mind, or you learn the system for yourself, there is nothing I can do to actually prove it's not fractional subconscious aiming.

Tony - very good summary exhibiting good common sense. Regarding the above, if a CTE user took practice strokes along one line, but at the last second delivered the cue along a different line, would you consider that a subconscious adjustment?
 
Tony - very good summary exhibiting good common sense. Regarding the above, if a CTE user took practice strokes along one line, but at the last second delivered the cue along a different line, would you consider that a subconscious adjustment?

Wasting your time.......not the way it happens.

Stan Shuffett
 
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Sometimes only the snooker coaches can actually say what needs to be said. This continues my bit about straight ins in the previous post.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxjTAmP-9B4

Cueing, stance and alignment IMO are 50-60 percent of the game. The rest of it is mental, for the most part. Keeping your emotions in check, making correct shot choices, being able to get up off the shot if it feels wrong, these are important mental bits. Aiming is maybe, and I do stress that even this may be too much, 5% of the game.

If you can't make shots straight into the pocket, you have no business at all looking at aiming systems. You'll only get confused and do harm to your game. How can you possibly know what caused a miss, when you're splattering shots all over the place like a worn out shotgun!?

Unfortunately that kind of logic falls on deaf ears 'round these parts:

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=5733152&postcount=80

I think Stan's rebuttal on this, if he ever gave one, is that CTE will also straighten out your stroke. :rolleyes:
 
Unfortunately that kind of logic falls on deaf ears 'round these parts:

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=5733152&postcount=80

I think Stan's rebuttal on this, if he ever gave one, is that CTE will also straighten out your stroke. :rolleyes:

In conventional pool where do instructors and students spend a lot of their practice work?
THE STRAIGHT IN

Hey, Guess what? Cut shots in CTE are like straight ins in your world. So, EVERY shot I shoot with CCB is like a zer o angle which at least quadruples what I did in your world. THEREFORE.....The constant work with cut shots of all kinds yields tons of work with known alignments to CCB. The feedback is continual....ongoing...so proper alignment and straighter strokes develop more quickly.

Stan Shuffett
 
Tony - very good summary exhibiting good common sense. Regarding the above, if a CTE user took practice strokes along one line, but at the last second delivered the cue along a different line, would you consider that a subconscious adjustment?

I think this would be easy to test. Someone using CTE could use Joe Tucker's third eye trainer to show whether there are any subconscious adjustments or not when stroking through the ball.
 
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I think this would be easy to test. Someone using CTE could use Joe Tucker's third eye trainer to show whether there are any subconscious adjustments or not when stroking through the ball.


Forget about CTE. Out of 50 straight in shots how many perfect ones do you think you would get right now while using the third eye trainer? I assume you're a robot like Bob Meucci's robot.
 
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50.......

Have you ever used it?

I own one. Of course I have. I can tell you right now I'm not perfect. Maybe better than most but I don't think anyone is as long as they're human.

How do you think Bustamante would do with the trainer even though he might make 50 straight in's in a row?

What about you?
 
lol, I swear I could hear Celine Dion singing "My Heart Will Go On" while reading this post.
Lou Figueroa
Your self serving twisted ridicule does not diminish the fact that CTE works for those who are willing to study and understand it. It is NOT easy.
I have seen you play.....you could benefit from it.
 
I own one. Of course I have. I can tell you right now I'm not perfect. Maybe better than most but I don't think anyone is as long as they're human.

How do you think Bustamante would do with the trainer even though he might make 50 straight in's in a row?

What about you?

Are you saying Bustamante could not make straight in shots with it because his practice strokes are all over the place? When he strokes through the ball he is dead straight and that is what matters.

Use the third eye for a variety of cut shots using CTE. If you make everything, then good. If you miss a certain shot consistently with the third eye, chances are you are steering if you are able to make the shot without the third eye.

The third eye makes sure that you stroke through CCB. Is that correct or not?

Contrary to what you might think, I have a very good stroke. Shooting stop shots is not an issue for me.
 
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