When you miss a shot you wanted to make and freeze someone to a ball, you are getting rewarded for making an error.
You crashing into balls and having a shot isn't the same thing, because you are doing it to yourself, and not someone else.
Stevie Moore's Rules argument with Justin
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When you miss a shot you wanted to make and freeze someone to a ball, you are getting rewarded for making an error.
You crashing into balls and having a shot isn't the same thing, because you are doing it to yourself, and not someone else.
Agreed, I was just saying Justin was trying to use common sense and logic in his argument and Stevie is just saying things like... "You create your own luck"... 100 times over. He is not being out of line he just is not doing a good job of explaining why he feels this way.
Two shot foul would end alot of the whining. It is a real pleasure to watch a player actually try to run out instead of ducking and hoping to bet BIH to do it. When's the last time you saw a long thin cut or a tough bank in a game? Boring as hell! The better player can stop all the BS with 2 shot foul rules.
There is nothing worse than playing against someone that won't get out when the table gets a little tough. The safeties are bad for the spectators if you're playing anything besides one pocket or straights. If somebody plays a jam-up safety you have to kick and sometimes turn the CB loose. You have to count on a good roll either way so here comes the luck factor again.
If you've never played 2 shot foul, try it sometime. If you don't hit the ball on your first try the OP has the option to make you shoot again or take it. You can be more aggressive and actually try to run out (and please the crowd).
Believe me, i love 2 foul ball in hand.
Just make it a Texas express break instead so no balls get spotted on a scratch and the rules would be perfect.
And for the record, Moneymaker only won 2.5 million
of course you could always just scrap the brainless rotation games and play something that actually has options and strategy to it...
14.1, 1 hole, 8 ball...
you never hear whining like this in games with options..
the winner doesn't necessarily have to be they guy who shoots better.. he could be the guy who knows more..
players have control in strategy games.. in rotation games it's all the luck of the layout..
I really hope pro pool will grow up again..I'd love to see skill and knowledge be the deciding factor like it was back in the days when pool got some respect..
before they took a lucky gambling game and tried to sell it as a championship caliber game..
I hope to live to see they day when the best is once again decided by the best players playing strategic games..
14.1, 1 hole, 8 ball...
you never hear whining like this in games with options..
the winner doesn't necessarily have to be they guy who shoots better.. he could be the guy who knows more..
players have control in strategy games.. in rotation games it's all the luck of the layout..
I really hope pro pool will grow up again..I'd love to see skill and knowledge be the deciding factor like it was back in the days when pool got some respect..
before they took a lucky gambling game and tried to sell it as a championship caliber game..
I hope to live to see they day when the best is once again decided by the best players playing strategic games..
6 o' one, haffa dozen o' another
I personally don't give a schit as long as all players are playing by the same rules but don't tell me that getting accidental shape is not,"being rewarded for making an error." Should you call shape too? I've seen some guys play that way to practice. :shrug:
After we solve this , let's figure a way to eliminate luck in poker.
I personally don't give a schit as long as all players are playing by the same rules but don't tell me that getting accidental shape is not,"being rewarded for making an error." Should you call shape too? I've seen some guys play that way to practice. :shrug:
After we solve this , let's figure a way to eliminate luck in poker.
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This, right here, is why I tune in.
You, sir, are funny!
Accurate, too. :grin-square:
Best,
Brian kc
I agree with Mark here. I've always said that it made no sense to try to legislate luck out of the game with rules when there are so many lucky situations in the game inherently. The randomness of it all gives the sport at least a little bit of excitement that would be lost otherwise. You can't rule out luck in the break situation, balls tie up, balls go in. It's just sour grapes when a player cries because his opponent got a lucky break. All players get lucky breaks in pool, some put themselves in a position to get luckier than others! Also when you play call shot, it slows the game down and creates an area of contention, where misunderstandings and disagreeaments can arise. Pool is often played in situations where alcohol is consumed. This only intensifies the situation. Having owned a pool bar and 2 pool rooms I know the value of simplifying rules to reduce conflict! In my pool bar I had big signs with the house rules, one of which was "slop counts except call pocket only on 8-ball" .
Not so extreme. That's the way it was done at the 10-Ball Pro Players Championship at Valley Forge in March. And that's the way it is done on Tony Robles' Predator Tour.
Well said sir.....a tip of the hat to you. A question that begs to be asked is .....Did stevie know the rules for the tourney prior to entering.....if so....why enter and argue.....leave or sit and watch......Dan
In my example, by making an error, I got rewarded with an easier out and not needing to get the cue ball to a very difficult location ( I honestly can’t say how it would have turned out if I had managed to miss his ball). If I had missed my position, I would have likely been kicking or shooting a deliberate miss and my opponent would have likely had an easy out. I was trying my best to miss his ball after hitting the first rail; I failed and had an easier out. Either way you look at it, my getting lucky affected him just as much as it affected me, I had an easier out, and he lost the game without getting a chance to affect the outcome.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding your position?
actually stevie just wants a standard set of rules, I heard johnny archer saying the same thing.
The pro players want to create a union and have call shots rules. whats wrong with that? I doubt he was complaining.
To come on the internet and put someone like stevie down when you prolly dont even know him is pretty irresponsible
I highly doubt many pros would be against making the game better, which is what different rules would do. They sure as hell wouldn't be furious. The game is broken and has been for years and the pros know it. It hasn't worked beautifully, where have you been?? Obviously, you don't know Stevie Moore, he doesn't talk nonsense.
I'm not going to argue with ANYBODY'S opinion here as everyone has some valid points. But wouldn't these two changes I quoted from John effectively put an end to the "two-way shot" that we ALL have and use in our arsenal???
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