Stevie's CTE video

gazman100

gazman100

Brunswick Gold Crowns - Qld Australia
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Hi All,
I've just viewed Stevie Moore's recent instruction video on You Tube.
It's only a short presentation however I found it very informative and entertaining to watch.
I would encourage everyone who is interested to view it.
Well done Stevie.
Cheers:wink:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1mlnRiAXA8
 
gazman100 said:
Hi All,
I've just viewed Stevie Moore's recent instruction video on You Tube.
It's only a short presentation however I found it very informative and entertaining to watch.
I would encourage everyone who is interested to view it.
Well done Stevie.
Cheers:wink:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1mlnRiAXA8
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I don't mean to be offensive, but what instruction?

Shoot the shots the same way & get two totally different results?

I just recently, very carefully, shot those shots as outlined & did NOT get the same results.

I got what any logical individual would think. I got the 'same' or very nearly the same angled results from doing the 'exact' same thing to align & shoot the shots. While there certainly may have been some very very slight difference since I am human, it was not any difference that would result in pocketing the balls in the two different pockets as Stevie did.

What was consistent with Stevie's results was that the 2nd. shot did consistently pocket in the side but the 1st. shot consistently went long unless shot very hard into the rail in which case it would come close to the pocket & it hit the outside point once out of perhaps 10 tries.

The other thing that was consistent was the straight in shot in the side pocket can be pocketed as Stevie did. But the shot lined up to the point only pocketed once going off the near side point. All others that I shot hit either the rail or the point & did not pocket.

It is completely illogical to think that a process can be duplicated & yield a different result.

I'll just stop there so as not repeat a very long hypothesis.

PS I set up the shots as close as I could to how Stevie had them based on my seeing them on the video. Stevie said that they were parallel & I ASSUMED that they were straight across the table & perpendicular to the long rails. IF there was any angle into the long rail it was not mentioned & I did not incorporate any angle with my set up.
 
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ENGLISH! said:
I don't mean to be offensive, but what instruction?

Shoot the shots the same way & get two totally different results?

I just recently, very carefully, shot those shots as outlined & did NOT get the same results.

I got what any logical individual would think. I got the 'same' or very nearly the same angled results from doing the 'exact' same thing to align & shoot the shots.

What was consistent with Stevie's results was that the 2nd. shot did pocket in the side but the 1st. shot consistently went long unless shot very hard into the rail in which case it would come close to the pocket & it hit the outside point once out of perhaps 10 tries.

The other thing that was consistent was the straight in shot in the side pocket can be pocketed as Stevie did. But the shot lined up to the point only pocketed once going off the near side point. All others that I shot hit either the rail or the point & did not pocket.

It is completely illogical to think that a process can be duplicated & yield a different result.
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You haven't seen the DVDs. You haven't practiced, nor do you understand, the system in the slightest. Did you ever stop to think that maybe that's why you're getting different results?

It's like expecting to be an expert love maker because you walked in on your parents once when you were 5.

ENGLISH! said:
I'll just stop there so as not repeat a very long hypothesis..
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You should have stopped sooner.
 
ENGLISH! said:
I don't mean to be offensive, but what instruction?

Shoot the shots the same way & get two totally different results?

I just recently, very carefully, shot those shots as outlined & did NOT get the same results.

I got what any logical individual would think. I got the 'same' or very nearly the same angled results from doing the 'exact' same thing to align & shoot the shots.

What was consistent with Stevie's results was that the 2nd. shot did pocket in the side but the 1st. shot consistently went long unless shot very hard into the rail in which case it would come close to the pocket & it hit the outside point once out of perhaps 10 tries.

The other thing that was consistent was the straight in shot in the side pocket can be pocketed as Stevie did. But the shot lined up to the point only pocketed once going off the near side point. All others that I shot hit either the rail or the point & did not pocket.



It is completely illogical to think that a process can be duplicated & yield a different result.

I'll just stop there so as not repeat a very long hypothesis..
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The shots go exactly as Stevie did them.

The shots go exactly as I just showed in my 2d 3d video that I just put up.

Any one would be foolish to think you wanted to really make those shots.

Since you want to run your mouth, Word Man, why don't back up it up with a video of you shooing t those shots?

Stan Shuffett
 
BeiberLvr said:
You haven't seen the DVDs. You haven't practiced, nor do you understand, the system in the slightest. Did you ever stop to think that maybe that's why you're getting different results?

It's like expecting to be an expert love maker because you walked in on your parents once when you were 5.

You should have stopped sooner.
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Long response deleted. I've been advise that it is inappropriate to 'feed' certain individuals.
 
stan shuffett said:
The shots go exactly as Stevie did them.

Obviously the shots go exactly as Stevie DID them.

The shots go exactly as I just showed in my 2d 3d video that I just put up.

I've not yet watch it but...Obviously the shots go exactly as you DID them.

Any one would be foolish to think you wanted to really make those shots.

Yes, there's the rub. My goal was not to make the shots but to shoot them 'objectively' as outlined with no outside subjectivity or intuition regarding 'making' the shots. The second shot did consistently pocket when shot objectively just as it did in Stevie's video.

Since you want to run your mouth, Word Man, why don't back up it up with a video of you shooing t those shots?

There is no need of a video of me shooting those shots. I've relayed my results. Anyone that wishes can go to a table & shoot them either objectively as outlined or they can shoot them with the intention of forcing them to be made by utilizing outside influences that would affect the actual precise execution. AND I would recommend that they try them objectively & then make their own determinations. What's wrong with that?

Stan Shuffett
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Two threads regarding CTE have been removed after you became actively involved in them. All that was said on those threads is now not available for reference.

It will be more difficult for both sides of the disagreement to be reviewed with the removal of threads, but there is much still on AZB & anyone can ask a question or open a thread.

Each individual can make up their own minds. Some individuals are more logical than others. There are both types of individuals in the world. I would hazard to guess that CTE will not be accepted as presented by 100% of the world. To think otherwise would be illogical & irrational.

For those that accept it as presented & it helps them play better then it will be right & good for them.

Everyone can make up their own minds.

I'm going to follow the advice of those that have been here before me that also believe take that there can be no logical civil discussion with the majority of CTE proponents or advocates & since that certainly seems to be proving to be the case then why enter into any discussion at all?

I Sincerely Hope that You had a Merry Christmas & will have a Happy Holiday Season along with a Happy & Prosperous New Year.
 
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ENGLISH! said:
Two threads regarding CTE have been removed after you became actively involved in them. All that was said on those threads is now not available for reference.

It will be more difficult for both sides of the disagreement to be reviewed with the removal of threads, but there is much still on AZB & anyone can ask a question or open a thread.

Each individual can make up their own minds. Some individuals are more logical than others. There are both types of individuals in the world. I would hazard to guess that CTE will not be accepted as presented by 100% of the world. To think otherwise would be illogical & irrational.

For those that accept it as presented & it helps them play better then it will be right & good for them.

Everyone can make up their own minds.

I'm going to follow the advice of those that have been here before me that also believe take that there can be no logical civil discussion with the majority of CTE proponents or advocates & since that certainly seems to be proving to be the case then why enter into any discussion at all?

I Sincerely Hope that You had a Merry Christmas & will have a Happy Holiday Season along with a Happy & Prosperous New Year.





YOU trolled and trolled and baited ME for a couple of weeks and it is because of YOU and your sneaky crap with twisted buttery words that threads go south.
If the mods want me off, so be it....all my posts can be deleted and my account can be removed. Thanks to you! HATER!

Stan Shuffett
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stan shuffett said:
It only took one post for this thread to get derailed by a CTE hater!

Stan Shuffett
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Why does it seem to be supposed by some that a CTE thread is only for the purpose of advocating CTE?

Does not every thread that disagrees with how CTE is presented as a 100% totally objective system get 'derailed' by the CTE advocates & proponents?

Is this not a discussion forum. More specifically, this sub forum was formed for the specific purpose to 'argue to your hearts content'.

I have an idea.
 
ENGLISH! said:
Why does it seem to be supposed by some that a CTE thread is only for the purpose of advocating CTE?

Does not every thread that disagrees with how CTE is presented as a 100% totally objective system get 'derailed' by the CTE advocates & proponents?

Is this not a discussion forum. More specifically, this sub forum was formed for the specific purpose to 'argue to your hearts content'.

I have an idea.
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Why don't you post videos of why CTE does not work and show us your technique at a table? Perhaps we could help you.
You won't do that a bit more than what you did when you were invited for a comprehensive free lesson at my home.The mods should be able to see clear through that.

Stan Shuffett
 
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stan shuffett said:
Why don't you post videos of why CTE does not work and show us your technique at a table? Perhaps we could help you.
You won't do that a bit more than what you did when you were invited for comprehensive free lesson at my home.The mods should be able to see clear through that.

Stan Shuffett
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Sir,

You, as others, continue to misstate &/or simply do not understand. I can not speak for others, but I have not stated that CTE does not work. The question is why the balls are being pocketed & what 'makes' or allows CTE to work.

Sir,

You & another seem to be stuck on the supposition that I STILL am interested in CTE... for me.

I changed my mind as soon as I saw your youtube video with the 5 shots.

Sir,

Again, your invitation was when I was still intrigued with CTE... BUT your invitation at that time was not long after I had ruptured a disc in my back & I was not inclined to do any traveling. Since I opted to not have surgery I am STILL not inclined to travel.This is at least the third time I have explained this to you IN THE PUBLIC FORUM

Why do you continue to bring it up, WITH YOUR SLANT ON IT?

I think it should be obvious to almost anyone why all of the above continues to be brought up with a following reference to the mods.

If the 'system' can not logically be defended then let's try to get rid of those questioning it.

Please see my new thread for positivity ONLY.[/B]
 
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ENGLISH! said:
Sir,

You, as others, continue to misstate &/or simply do not understand. I can not speak for others, but I have not stated that CTE does not work. The question is why the balls are being pocketed & what 'makes' or allows CTE to work.

Sir,

You & another seem to be stuck on the supposition that I STILL am interested in CTE... for me.

I changed my mind as soon as I saw your youtube video with the 5 shots.

Sir,

Again, your invitation was when I was still intrigued with CTE... BUT your invitation at that time was not long after I had ruptured a disc in my back & I was not inclined to do any traveling. Since I opted to not have surgery I am STILL not inclined to travel. This is at least the third time I have explained this to you IN THE PUBLIC FORUM

Why do you continue to bring it up, WITH YOUR SLANT ON IT?

I think it should be obvious to almost anyone why all of the above continues to be brought up with a following reference to the mods.

If the 'system' can not logically be defended then let's try to get rid of those questioning it.

Please see my new thread for positivity ONLY.
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Will you post $5000 today! I will. And a neutral AZ member can choose 5 others that have no dog or bias in this hunt. SOMEONE THAT WE CAN AGREE ON COULD STEP FORWARD.

I will work with the group of 5 for one day concerning the 2d 3d YouTube video I just put up.
Then they vote....yea or nay. Winner gets the $$$.

Stan Shuffett
 
stan shuffett said:
Will you post $5000 today! I will. And a neutral AZ member can choose 5 others that have no dog or bias in this hunt. SOMEONE THAT WE CAN AGREE ON COULD STEP FORWARD.

I will work with the group of 5 for one day concerning the 2d 3d YouTube video I just put up.
Then they vote....yea or nay. Winner gets the $$$.

Stan Shuffett
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I'm not motivated by money. But what exactly do you think that would prove?

What if we were to reverse it & I were to work with a group & concentrate on them executing exactly as outlined & they were not pocketing balls. Would that prove who is correct & who is incorrect regarding the how & why CTE can work.

Again, You seem to keep missing the point. I have not said that CTE does not or can not work.

It's how &/or why it can work, that is the point of disagreement.

The scenario you propose would really do nothing to resolve that disagreement as it would not prove the how & why.

I think, & please correct me if I am mistaken, that you have often said words to that effect that you are not exactly sure why CTE works other than that it is somehow connected to the 2:1 proportions of the table.

How can a logical conversation or discussion be had if the topic at hand can not even be maintained by one side.

What is it that seems to continually cause the topic at hand to seemingly continue to be lost by one side?

Is that a tactic of distraction or is it just a result of not being able to maintain the focus on the point through the passion or fanaticism.

I think the point of my thread regarding no logical or civil discussion regarding CTE being had here on AZB has proven itself out.

That is why I suggested to anyone that is interested in CTE to ask about it where ever they play & then make their own determination as to whether or not they want to give it a good go. What's wrong with that?
 
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ENGLISH! said:
I'm not motivated by money. But what exactly do you think that would prove?

What if we were to reverse it & I were to work with a group & concentrate on them executing exactly as outlined & they were not pocketing balls. Would that prove who is correct & who is incorrect regarding the how & why CTE can work.

Again, You seem to keep missing the point. I have not said that CTE does not or can not work.

It's how &/or why it can work, that is the point of disagreement.

The scenario you propose would really do nothing to resolve that disagreement as it would not prove the how & why.

You have, I think, often said words to that effect that you are not exactly sure why CTE works other than that it is somehow connected to the 2:1 proportioned table.

How can a logical conversation or discussion be had if the topic at hand can not even be maintained by one side.

What is it that seems to continually cause the topic at hand to seemingly continue to be lost by one side?

Is that a tactic of distraction or is it just a result of not being able to maintain the focus on the point through the passion or fanaticism.

I think the point of my thread regarding no logical or civil discussion regarding CTE being here on AZB has proven itself out.

That is why I suggested to anyone that is interested in CTE to ask about it where ever they play & then make their own determination as to whether or not they want to give it a good go. What's wrong with that?
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I will work with the group 1 day and you can have them for 1 or up to 10 days if you want them.

Stan Shuffett
 
How about We work together with 3 a/b type players on live stream for the $$$.


Then they vote?

Stan Shuffett
 
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stan shuffett said:
...YOU trolled and trolled and baited ME for a couple of weeks and it is because of YOU and your sneaky crap with twisted buttery words that threads go south...


Stan Shuffett
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Sir,

I did not troll or bait you. I did make an error in what I thought you were referring to in one of your Ultimates Secrets of CTE YouTUBE videos & I have apologised & have tried to make amends by making multiple posts in multiple threads to make that clear.

You continue to make personal disparaging statements regarding me.

Other than my comment that you lately do not seem to be acting like the very nice man that I had seen you as before. I don't think I have have made any other remarks or comments that were in any way of a personal nature.

I simply disagree with the supposition that CTE is a 100% totally objective system.

Instead of making personal disparagements & proposing $5,000 'bets' or 'wagers' why don't you give a logical explanation of how & why you believe CTE to be a 100% totally objective system.

Perhaps in that manner you could persuade me to your way of believing it to be such.
 
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Originally Posted by ENGLISH! View Post
I'm not motivated by money. But what exactly do you think that would prove?

What if we were to reverse it & I were to work with a group & concentrate on them executing exactly as outlined & they were not pocketing balls. Would that prove who is correct & who is incorrect regarding the how & why CTE can work.

Again, You seem to keep missing the point. I have not said that CTE does not or can not work.

It's how &/or why it can work, that is the point of disagreement.

The scenario you propose would really do nothing to resolve that disagreement as it would not prove the how & why.

You have, I think, often said words to that effect that you are not exactly sure why CTE works other than that it is somehow connected to the 2:1 proportioned table.

How can a logical conversation or discussion be had if the topic at hand can not even be maintained by one side.

What is it that seems to continually cause the topic at hand to seemingly continue to be lost by one side?

Is that a tactic of distraction or is it just a result of not being able to maintain the focus on the point through the passion or fanaticism.

I think the point of my thread regarding no logical or civil discussion regarding CTE being here on AZB has proven itself out.

That is why I suggested to anyone that is interested in CTE to ask about it where ever they play & then make their own determination as to whether or not they want to give it a good go. What's wrong with that?
I will work with the group 1 day and you can have them for 1 or up to 10 days if you want them.

Stan Shuffett

I guess you missed the part that I put in bold blue above.
 
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Mr. Shuffett,

We're just wasting each others time.

You just don't seem to understand that nothing that you are proposing would prove whether CTE is a 100% totally objective system... or not.
 
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