Stevie's CTE video

stan shuffett

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Sorry. No can do.

I know your point.... Just still attempting to lay out a little bait or set a small trap.

It makes no difference if the rails do not bank the same.
Center cue ball can still be used along with proper speed adjustment from rail to rail.
The aim remains the same from rail to rail. Spin is another variable that can be used......but it all starts with the gift of CTE, an objective CCB shot line.

Stan Shuffett
 
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ENGLISH!

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I know your point.... Just still attempting to lay out a little bait or set a small trap.

It makes no difference if the rails do not bank the same.
Center cue ball can still be used along with proper speed adjustment from rail to rail.
The aim remains the same from rail to rail. Spin is another variable that be used......but it all starts with the gift of CTE, an objective CCB shot line.

Stan Shuffett

Sorry. No can do.
 

Ratta

Hearing the balls.....
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Every shot from Stevie s Video works as shown.

And to discuss about different rail-material, or about different tables is funny. You have to adjust on every table on the planet. Age of cloth, humidity- all aspects which effects banking and kicking- then speed control, the natural *contra-effet* by using too much speed etc--
This has nothing to do with cte at all- that s just plain BS!


I m no professional in teaching cte/Pro 1-- but i can assure you, that it works extremly well- even for someone like me, who hasn t really played this year that much. But i use Pro1 -whenever i have the time to play.
the biggest problem is to make "getting your perception completly natural" -- and it is of course difficult if you have played 30-35 years *oldschooled style*- like me, too.

But it works, IF YOU WANT.
Willing and dedication is the key-- as always.
 

Tony_in_MD

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Nicely said, rep to you.

Every shot from Stevie s Video works as shown.

And to discuss about different rail-material, or about different tables is funny. You have to adjust on every table on the planet. Age of cloth, humidity- all aspects which effects banking and kicking- then speed control, the natural *contra-effet* by using too much speed etc--
This has nothing to do with cte at all- that s just plain BS!


I m no professional in teaching cte/Pro 1-- but i can assure you, that it works extremly well- even for someone like me, who hasn t really played this year that much. But i use Pro1 -whenever i have the time to play.
the biggest problem is to make "getting your perception completly natural" -- and it is of course difficult if you have played 30-35 years *oldschooled style*- like me, too.

But it works, IF YOU WANT.
Willing and dedication is the key-- as always.
 

cookie man

AzB Silver Member
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I think its pretty clear by now that CTE is not a 2D based system. If you try to use it that way, you will likely end up with the same angles as you purport. CTE does not work this way. You should start with a perception, dictated by two lines, then pivot 1/2 tip to center. This procedure results in a unique shot angle for every given perception. That is because every perception has a physically unique ball address. I assume this is where your problems lie, as you are lining up the same physical ball address for both given shots. You must be aligning yourself directly on one line or the other, as the perception clearly not working. This is where I was in the beginning too, until I put in some real time (repetition) at the table, and eventually I was able to let go of my tendencies to use the 2D lines as 2D alignments, and instead begin to recognize what the correct 3D perception looks like.

IMHO really the only way to understand is through practice and repetition. But I suppose if you wanted to record your results we could observe and comment.

I think this is a great post.
"You should start with a perception, dictated by two lines, then pivot 1/2 tip to center. This procedure results in a unique shot angle for every given perception. That is because every perception has a physically unique ball address. I assume this is where your problems lie, as you are lining up the same physical ball address for both given shots."
This is the solution to most of the problem's that people sitting at there computer have. You can't just read about it, you have to do it.
 

bwally

AzB Silver Member
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Every shot from Stevie s Video works as shown.

And to discuss about different rail-material, or about different tables is funny. You have to adjust on every table on the planet. Age of cloth, humidity- all aspects which effects banking and kicking- then speed control, the natural *contra-effet* by using too much speed etc--
This has nothing to do with cte at all- that s just plain BS!


I m no professional in teaching cte/Pro 1-- but i can assure you, that it works extremly well- even for someone like me, who hasn t really played this year that much. But i use Pro1 -whenever i have the time to play.
the biggest problem is to make "getting your perception completly natural" -- and it is of course difficult if you have played 30-35 years *oldschooled style*- like me, too.

But it works, IF YOU WANT.
Willing and dedication is the key-- as always.

Well said, another greenie from me..
 

8pack

They call me 2 county !
Silver Member
Every shot from Stevie s Video works as shown.

And to discuss about different rail-material, or about different tables is funny. You have to adjust on every table on the planet. Age of cloth, humidity- all aspects which effects banking and kicking- then speed control, the natural *contra-effet* by using too much speed etc--
This has nothing to do with cte at all- that s just plain BS!


I m no professional in teaching cte/Pro 1-- but i can assure you, that it works extremly well- even for someone like me, who hasn t really played this year that much. But i use Pro1 -whenever i have the time to play.
the biggest problem is to make "getting your perception completly natural" -- and it is of course difficult if you have played 30-35 years *oldschooled style*- like me, too.

But it works, IF YOU WANT.
Willing and dedication is the key-- as always.

If they are right on then it isn't just an objective system. When you create a different cut angles from the same procedure it is very subjective. 6 inches to 12 is a big difference.
Why are the users of the system scared to say this, it could help many.
Maybe create the right path to a better understanding of whats happening.

Its alright to say I have to adjust.:)

Hope all is well over sea's.
 

Neil

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If they are right on then it isn't just an objective system. When you create a different cut angles from the same procedure it is very subjective. 6 inches to 12 is a big difference.
Why are the users of the system scared to say this, it could help many.
Maybe create the right path to a better understanding of whats happening.

Its alright to say I have to adjust.:)

Hope all is well over sea's.

When will you accept, that while the visuals are the same, not everything you do is exactly the same. Your perception of the shot is different. Why do you keep on dismissing this key fact??
 

cookie man

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If they are right on then it isn't just an objective system. When you create a different cut angles from the same procedure it is very subjective. 6 inches to 12 is a big difference.
Why are the users of the system scared to say this, it could help many.
Maybe create the right path to a better understanding of whats happening.

Its alright to say I have to adjust.:)

Hope all is well over sea's.

"You should start with a perception, dictated by two lines, then pivot 1/2 tip to center. This procedure results in a unique shot angle for every given perception. That is because every perception has a physically unique ball address. I assume this is where your problems lie, as you are lining up the same physical ball address for both given shots." When you guys figure this out you'll start understanding what's happening.
 

8pack

They call me 2 county !
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When will you accept, that while the visuals are the same, not everything you do is exactly the same. Your perception of the shot is different. Why do you keep on dismissing this key fact??


Neil, it sounds like your saying you are adjusting off the same visuals. I agree.
 

Neil

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Neil, it sounds like your saying you are adjusting off the same visuals. I agree.

I'll say it again. Your perception is what you intend to do with the shot. Your perception determines where you will stand to start with. If you have a ball set up, you have the option to bank it, or cut it in. You will start off standing in two different places for each shot. Everyone does.

Look at it this way- your perception is your rough ghost ball line. Your visuals you pick up from that rough line. There will only be one place along that rough line, or perception of the shot, that you can see the correct visuals of ETC and ETA (B or C).

Your perception of the shot gives you your rough line of aim. Your visuals fine tune that rough line to the exact line you need to shoot down.

You have only been referencing the visuals being the same. Which they are. You have been leaving out the perception of the shot, which has you starting in a slightly different place to get those visuals.

Where you see a rough line to shoot down, get down and then fine tune by feel or whatever, we see the rough line, then get our visuals to fine tune our aim, then either get down and pivot half a tip, or pivot while going down. Once we are down on the shot, we already have it finetuned. No more adjustment needed or desired.
 

8pack

They call me 2 county !
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I'll say it again. Your perception is what you intend to do with the shot. Your perception determines where you will stand to start with. If you have a ball set up, you have the option to bank it, or cut it in. You will start off standing in two different places for each shot. Everyone does.

Look at it this way- your perception is your rough ghost ball line. Your visuals you pick up from that rough line. There will only be one place along that rough line, or perception of the shot, that you can see the correct visuals of ETC and ETA (B or C).

Your perception of the shot gives you your rough line of aim. Your visuals fine tune that rough line to the exact line you need to shoot down.

You have only been referencing the visuals being the same. Which they are. You have been leaving out the perception of the shot, which has you starting in a slightly different place to get those visuals.

Where you see a rough line to shoot down, get down and then fine tune by feel or whatever, we see the rough line, then get our visuals to fine tune our aim, then either get down and pivot half a tip, or pivot while going down. Once we are down on the shot, we already have it finetuned. No more adjustment needed or desired.

If this is so, you are not doing the same thing as Steve mentioned in his video.

What gives you the right perception?? Knowing where the ob needs to go.

I could line up every shot at the 1/2 ball hit, do exactly as your doing (using my perception)and come up with the results and make the ball at every possible angle. Is it fair for me to call every shot a 1/2 ball hit? Because this is exactly what you've done with your perception.;)
 

Neil

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If this is so, you are not doing the same thing as Steve mentioned in his video.

What gives you the right perception?? Knowing where the ob needs to go.

I could line up every shot at the 1/2 ball hit, do exactly as your doing (using my perception)and come up with the results and make the ball at every possible angle. Is it fair for me to call every shot a 1/2 ball hit? Because this is exactly what you've done with your perception.;)

What is so difficult to understand about it? Your perception gives you the rough line, your visuals fine tune that line to the exact line you need. That is why you can use the exact same visuals on that 5 shot drill. You have a different perception for each shot, but the exact same visuals for all five.

And, it is the exact same thing Stevie is doing in the video, and that Stan has taught all along.
 
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