What can prove CTE is objective is work at a table. It is clearly obvious that you debate CTE from a lack of table experience.
Why would one debate something they do not understand?
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Stan Shuffett
Stevie's CTE video
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What can prove CTE is objective is work at a table. It is clearly obvious that you debate CTE from a lack of table experience.
Why would one debate something they do not understand?
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2 dimensional thinking
Tradition
Stan Shuffett
Sir,
Please excuse me & correct me if I am mistaken, but haven't you on more than a couple of occasions said on your YouTube videos that you yourself do not understand why CTE works?
Have you not said that CTE is a phenomenon?
I am a Christian & I hate nothing.
Science governs in more than 2 dimensions. Science governs in at least 4 dimensions.
I am far from a traditionalist just for the sake of tradition.
I've had an idea that may or may not be acceptable to you but I need to first see if it is acceptable to another party that will be instrumental.
So...can we put everything on hold until I get back regarding this possibility?
A long response isn't needed to answer a simple yes or no question.
Point is, Rick. You can't just watch some YouTube videos and expect to understand or be able to execute the system right away.
His objective is NOT to understand CTE. If his objectives were to understand CTE he would have taken logical steps in that direction.
He is simply not acting logical. He turned down free multiday comprehensive CTE lessons.
Stan Shuffett
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Sir,
You & another seem to be stuck on the supposition that I STILL am interested in CTE... for me.
I changed my mind as soon as I saw your youtube video with the 5 shots.
Sir,
Again, your invitation was when I was still intrigued with CTE... BUT your invitation at that time was not long after I had ruptured a disc in my back & I was not inclined to do any traveling. Since I opted to not have surgery I am STILL not inclined to travel. This is probably the 4th. time I have explained this to you IN THE PUBLIC FORUM
Why do you continue to bring it up, WITH YOUR SLANT ON IT?
I think any neutral reader can make up their own mind as to why.
If you really aren't interested in CTE, then here's some advice for you.
STOP POSTING IN AND STARTING THREADS RELATED TO CTE.
So , you are saying you would have come otherwise. I do not believe you would have made the trip under any circumstance.
Stan Shuffett
It has been suggested that am not knowledgeable enough or perhaps proficient enough to properly execute the shots in Stevie's video.
It has been suggested that the reason may be because I have not spent enough time with the 'system'.
As to the time with the system issue, I have been advised in private by a proponent of CTE that it took them nearly a year to execute Shot #5 from the Perception YouTube video as explained by Stan.
If I am incapable of executing the system then why was it I was able to consistently pocket the 2nd. shot of Stevie's video into the side pocket. That is not a straight in shot. It is somewhat of a cut into a side pocket.
It is an ETC/ETB with a thinning pivot.
Also why was I able to execute the 'system' to pocket the ball straight into the side pocket just as Stevie did?
If I can execute those shots by utilizing the 'system' why would I then not be able to repeat the process for the shots that are supposed to be pocketed from the same processes. Should not the system take me to those shots as well?
Please be advised that these are just rhetorical questions. They are just for the consideration of any neutral party that may be reading & is not to be confused as an exchange with a certain type of individual that I have been advised to avoid having any exchanges.
It has been suggested that the reason may be because I have not spent enough time with the 'system'.
As to the time with the system issue, I have been advised in private by a proponent of CTE that it took them nearly a year to execute Shot #5 from the Perception YouTube video as explained by Stan.
If I am incapable of executing the system then why was it I was able to consistently pocket the 2nd. shot of Stevie's video into the side pocket. That is not a straight in shot. It is somewhat of a cut into a side pocket.
It is an ETC/ETB with a thinning pivot.
Also why was I able to execute the 'system' to pocket the ball straight into the side pocket just as Stevie did?
If I can execute those shots by utilizing the 'system' why would I then not be able to repeat the process for the shots that are supposed to be pocketed from the same processes. Should not the system take me to those shots as well?
Please be advised that these are just rhetorical questions. They are just for the consideration of any neutral party that may be reading & is not to be confused as an exchange with a certain type of individual that I have been advised to avoid having any exchanges.
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You can't execute because you don't follow the directions properly. You used the same perception on each shot, instead of the required perception. You don't even understand the meaning of the word perception, so it is no surprise that you don't use it properly.
Second, you post on a public forum, expect to get an answer. You don't get to dictate who does and who does not give you answers. The only reason you don't want to communicate with me is because I constantly point out exactly where you are going wrong, and you won't admit you are wrong and don't have a clue what you are actually doing. You want to use the system your way, and then claim it didn't work as described.
I have shown you where perception can be objective, why that is so, explained what is meant by perception in the system, yet you try and totally disregard any information you receive that would actually clear up this situation with you in favor of continuing your ill-conceived rants about the system.
Totally clear to all that your only agenda is to try and stop others from using the system. You have failed in that regard also. In fact, you have done just the opposite.
Every angle you try and use and has been shot down by those with knowledge. Yet, you continue on with your nonsense. Whatever you think you are trying to win, you have lost a long time ago. Now, all you do is sound like a whiny little kid not getting his way. You aren't helping anyone, just being very annoying. And, in the process, showcasing why no one should believe anything you say anymore.
You know what strikes me the funniest in this message? You proudly saying how you are not interested in CTW and wondering why someone keeps bringing things up with his slant on the topic.
And yet, this whole argument is you bad mouthing the system with your own personal slant on it.
Any other person would have just decided long ago that this system didn't work for them and moved on. There are many different ways to know where to aim and not everyone uses the same system.
You, on the other hand, don't seem like you will be satisfied until you single handedly convince everyone on the planet that you are right.
Does CTE work for some people? Yes, I imagine it does. Does it work for all people? No, I don't believe it does.
MOVE ON WITH YOUR LIFE!!!
Mike
And yet, this whole argument is you bad mouthing the system with your own personal slant on it.
Any other person would have just decided long ago that this system didn't work for them and moved on. There are many different ways to know where to aim and not everyone uses the same system.
You, on the other hand, don't seem like you will be satisfied until you single handedly convince everyone on the planet that you are right.
Does CTE work for some people? Yes, I imagine it does. Does it work for all people? No, I don't believe it does.
MOVE ON WITH YOUR LIFE!!!
Mike
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Shoot Stevie's shots and report back with your exact results. I'd like to know where the OB is going when you are shooting them with CTE.
Okay, here is the report.
I shot the bank several times & it went long with CTE / ETB & a left thinning pivot.
Moving over parallel it went into the side pocket with CTE /ETB & a left thinning pivot.
Back to the bank shot. With CTE / ETA & a left thinning pivot the ball banks into the pocket unless drilled into the rail & then it hits short.
The straight into the side pocket can be pocketed CTE/ETA with a right thickening pivot.
The parallel shot from point to point basically does not pocket with CTE / ETA with a right thickening pivot. I shot it several times & only one went in off of hitting the near point but all others hit the rail or the point. None of them went to the far pocket facing as Stevie's did.
This is english's report after shooting Stevie's shots. Well English the bank goes as Stevie said with an ETB visual. Why you think it goes with ETA i can't figure out. After all it is a half ball bank so ETA would bring it short all day. The point to point also goes exactly as Stevie said. If you indeed hit the rail as you say it just further demonstrates your lack of knowledge with CTE.
These are some basic shots and very good practice shots.
Originally Posted by cookie man View Post
Shoot Stevie's shots and report back with your exact results. I'd like to know where the OB is going when you are shooting them with CTE.
Okay, here is the report.
I shot the bank several times & it went long with CTE / ETB & a left thinning pivot.
Moving over parallel it went into the side pocket with CTE /ETB & a left thinning pivot.
Back to the bank shot. With CTE / ETA & a left thinning pivot the ball banks into the pocket unless drilled into the rail & then it hits short.
The straight into the side pocket can be pocketed CTE/ETA with a right thickening pivot.
The parallel shot from point to point basically does not pocket with CTE / ETA with a right thickening pivot. I shot it several times & only one went in off of hitting the near point but all others hit the rail or the point. None of them went to the far pocket facing as Stevie's did.
This is english's report after shooting Stevie's shots. Well English the bank goes as Stevie said with an ETB visual. Why you think it goes with ETA i can't figure out. After all it is a half ball bank so ETA would bring it short all day. The point to point also goes exactly as Stevie said. If you indeed hit the rail as you say it just further demonstrates your lack of knowledge with CTE.
These are some basic shots and very good practice shots.
You've written more than 70 (I stopped counting) posts on this topic as well as some other CTE issues - just this last week!
Do you really think that just repeating the same thing over and over and over again will change anybody's opinion?
Maybe you should give this 'objective' thing a rest, there's nobody I can see agreeing with you.
To people who use CTE it makes no difference whether you or anyone else think it's subjective, objective or even radioactive. Only results on the table count.
CTE has 4 alignment perceptions and 2 directions you can pivot. If you think that making the choice of the perception and the direction of the pivot makes it subjective - that's fine. That's you're opinion.
The thing is it makes no difference to anyone who shoots CTE. Giving us your opinion on this day after day after day is just abusing this aiming forum.
Can't you think of any other topic to post about?
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“Never argue with a fool, .......onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.”
― Mark Twain
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I can only respond to the numbers thing. Almost all of my posts are in response to posts either directed to or at me or to posts that misstated my position just as one such statement in your post also does by implication.
When one is responding to several individuals then naturally the result will be multiplicable posts as related to those to which one is responding.
I wish I were allowed to respond to your 4 x 2 = 8.
Best Wishes & Shoot Well,
Rick
I think its pretty clear by now that CTE is not a 2D based system. If you try to use it that way, you will likely end up with the same angles as you purport. CTE does not work this way. You should start with a perception, dictated by two lines, then pivot 1/2 tip to center. This procedure results in a unique shot angle for every given perception. That is because every perception has a physically unique ball address. I assume this is where your problems lie, as you are lining up the same physical ball address for both given shots. You must be aligning yourself directly on one line or the other, as the perception clearly not working. This is where I was in the beginning too, until I put in some real time (repetition) at the table, and eventually I was able to let go of my tendencies to use the 2D lines as 2D alignments, and instead begin to recognize what the correct 3D perception looks like.
IMHO really the only way to understand is through practice and repetition. But I suppose if you wanted to record your results we could observe and comment.
I'll be in New Orleans in February if you'd like to be awakened on your failed attempts at learning CTE on your own. I'm not very good with words on a computer but I havent had a dissatisfied client as of yet nor one that didnt understand CTE and how it works.
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I'm scared of getting torn apart for posting this, but I'm getting sick of this CTE war. For the record, I've been trying to learn CTE since the spring, and whether it's objective or subjective, it works, I know it works. I also know it's hard to master and I get frustrated when it doesn't seem to be going right.
I am honestly grateful for everything that you have worked to produce Mr Shuffet, and I'm truly glad that you are so accessible here on AZBilliards as well as all of your extra content. I just humbly feel that you are taking too active of a role. Once you create something and set it free into the public, I don't think you can have complete control over how it is received and digested. There will be some people who enjoy it and take great satisfaction from it (That's me!), and others that do not.
I understand that you feel protective of your child, but I feel that you can't keep springing to the rescue every time someone voices opinions against CTE. I know you feel like they're slandering your hard work, but fighting back is probably only going to turn more people away from CTE than it will entice. You aren't going to convince the ones who don't want to be convinced, and people curious about CTE are only going to find these train-wreck threads of which the owner and creator is participating.
You should trust that you have a good system (which you do), and a loyal following (same), trying to control anything else will only bring you stress and resentment. CTE is an entity, a company, and when I think of CTE, I think of you Mr. Shuffet. You are it's identity and it's image. I just want you to consider that when you comment on the forums are you doing so as Mr. Shuffet, the man who love CTE, or Mr. Shuffet, the man who represents CTE.
No, I do not want you to leave AZB. nor do I want you to be angry with me, but no one on either side of the debate is going to benefit from your rising blood pressure.
The CTE argument will probably always be a topic of debate, but you should let the pro-CTE'ers fend for themselves.
I apologize if I am out of line.
I am honestly grateful for everything that you have worked to produce Mr Shuffet, and I'm truly glad that you are so accessible here on AZBilliards as well as all of your extra content. I just humbly feel that you are taking too active of a role. Once you create something and set it free into the public, I don't think you can have complete control over how it is received and digested. There will be some people who enjoy it and take great satisfaction from it (That's me!), and others that do not.
I understand that you feel protective of your child, but I feel that you can't keep springing to the rescue every time someone voices opinions against CTE. I know you feel like they're slandering your hard work, but fighting back is probably only going to turn more people away from CTE than it will entice. You aren't going to convince the ones who don't want to be convinced, and people curious about CTE are only going to find these train-wreck threads of which the owner and creator is participating.
You should trust that you have a good system (which you do), and a loyal following (same), trying to control anything else will only bring you stress and resentment. CTE is an entity, a company, and when I think of CTE, I think of you Mr. Shuffet. You are it's identity and it's image. I just want you to consider that when you comment on the forums are you doing so as Mr. Shuffet, the man who love CTE, or Mr. Shuffet, the man who represents CTE.
No, I do not want you to leave AZB. nor do I want you to be angry with me, but no one on either side of the debate is going to benefit from your rising blood pressure.
The CTE argument will probably always be a topic of debate, but you should let the pro-CTE'ers fend for themselves.
I apologize if I am out of line.
Amen! English please find a way to do & write something of a positive nature---about anything.
Stay out of all threads dealing with CTE. Stop trying to impress with your command of English. Your passive aggressive nature has become irritating just as you intended.
You have brought your intelligence into question.